Coyote article... One part stood out...

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  1. FoxyWench

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    red fox are also generally smaller than the grey
    we get waves, when theres not too many coyotes i see lots of fox, (they seem to like to find me)
    but as soon as the coyotes come in the fox dissapear...then a few months later the coys go and the fox come back
     
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    wow, thats crazy...never knew that about coyotes!! There was just one shot & killed in my home town (suburb of detroit!)...it killed someone's cocker spaniel :(
     
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    if the reds you're seeing are smaller than the greys it's likely do to a skewed population dynamic. most likely young reds recolonizing after the coyotes have dispersed & older greys that survived the coyotes by treeing.

    adult greys are normally 8-10# w/ a max of about 12.
    adult reds are nromally 8-12# w/ a max of about 16.
     
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    we actually dont have any wild grey around here, least none ive seen or been called on, and our state dept says theres no known grey population in our county...

    but the greys in the zoo ive worked in have always been TALLER than the reds...
    so i should have been more "correct" and not said "larger" or "bigger" but instead taller...
    all the greys ive ever seen are leggy, while the many reds ive met have all been stockier but less on the height...

    ive never worked directly with greys, i love reds though...if only they didnt stink!
     
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    When we lived in AZ, out in the boonies (desert) They were everywhere, smart, and dangerous. My mother NEVER let us leave without our dogs. We always had 2-3 good sized dogs, our dogs would actually take down coyotes that came to close to the property........and they would EAT THEM :eek: I don't know if it was sent out as a warning to the rest or not, but EEEEEEEWWWWWW! It was gross! LOL

    I absolutely believe this......but I don't know many who would want THAT decoration displayed! ahhahahaha Neighbors would be calling them VooDoo doctors and such :rofl1:
     
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    We do that. Well we dont leave it hanging around, but in the middle of our feild. And it works wonders. Not many people are too keen on the idea though and think its cruel. But I wuld rather have a dead coyote than a dead pet!
     
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    Greys are shorter and smaller than Reds, they perfer rock dens to dirt dens (reds). I know a guy that use to regularly hunt Greys in CT, MA and NH with Jrts, until he moved to the mid-west. Sadly I never got down to go hunting for the Greys before he moved, as we don't have them here. Although you put you dog at a higher risk with the rock dens by not being able to help the dog or dig to it.
    We have both Reds and Coyotes in my area, both at this time they appear to be healthy and abundant.
     
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    a grey isn't remotely a match for an adult terrier.

    Foxy
    don't believe the state guys, if you really want to know check w/ hunters & trappers. greys can be VERY comfortable around human habitation. if coyotes slam the red population, the greys can & will take advantage of the situation to explode & increase their range. i like them they are bold wily little guys that will test the best hounds' endurance. probably the third hardest critter to catch consistantly w/ hounds only bobs & coyotes will test your dogs harder.
     
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    unfortunately just the hide doesn't work anywhere near as good as the whole carcas.
     
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    Why not??? The jrts that they are using are Unders (10 - 12.5 inches) I can't say from personal experience as I said before but I do know many people that do hunt them with Jrts of that size.
    Have you hunted with Jrts in the earth? Just what is your personal experience concerning earthwork?

    Here btw, is a size chart of working terriers that was done a few years ago.
    Please note the dogs listed for Grey fox and the notes in regards to the terrier size used to hunt them.

    As a side note, my dog that I bred and still own is listed there (you had to have proof of working) and he isn't a one shot wonder either, he has proven himself over years as a very nice reliable hunting dog to different quarry.

    As another side note, my pup that I just bred.........17 dogs on that list are in her pedigree, most of them in the first 5 generations, top and bottom.

    Working Terrier Size
     
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    haven't done earthwork. above ground a grey is a rather timid animal like most wild animals but is so inferior to the red as a fighter that i can't imagine a working bred terrier not taking them down in a hole. this is especially true when you consider most pat/fells & no small number of JRTs are taking & killing coons, which way outclass a grey as a fighter.
    my lurcher takes them w/o getting a scratch. coons & feral cats OTH put up a heck of a fight. by extrapolation only, i can't see a 12-15# dog that is killing 10-20# coons not walking over a 8-10# grey.
     
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    I had to reply to this.

    2 years ago, my dad shot one one our farm. He pulled it into the yard were it lay for 2 days (winter time). Then he stood it up in our yard. It stood there all winter. Kept cyotes and neighbour's dogs out of our yard.

    So gross. My dad isnt a redneck at all.
     
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    You must have missed the part in the chart at the top about the size of the terriers, so I have copied and pasted for you.

    GREY FOX: 11 dogs have worked grey fox. Average size of dogs that have worked grey fox when height of dog is known: 11 inches.
     
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    it doesn't give weight.
    so, i went off an average weight range given to me on a brit terrier board & what i remember from terrier central, where i am learning about earthwork. i don't forsee myself engaging in it on a big scale for sport, but might utilize it for ADC work.
    the scale is made up primarily of JRTs & a limited number of dogs, weight for the same height will vary between breeds. i am sure if the numbers were ongoing as the sport becomes more widespread you'd see more variation.
    perhaps i should have said a 10-15# dog?
     
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    Weight can be considered, absolutely. On an average, most Jrts are going to to about 1 -1 1/2 lbs per one inch of height. That being said, I also don't think they are actively hunted like other quarry. Meaning, once out on the hunt the dogs can get into several different quarry with Greys being one of them in the right territory.
    Agreed, that chart is limited and was a small study but I also don't think he (Burns) collected the info for very long. In my case, my dog worked his coon in the first part of January, when we went out in June for Groundhog and he was successful, the Chart was closed by then and I don't remember (or even if I knew) when he started it, lol that was a long time ago.

    I'll be talking to my friends that are working Terriermen and I'll pick their brains on the subject and get back to you :D
     
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    if i get into doing earthwork intensively it'll probably be denning coyotes for ADC. in that case i'll use apbt or staffy bullX to get dogs the size needed for coyote.

    OTH when i was a kid a neighbor had a JRTXdeer beagle that was a beast. we ran him w/ my dobes on deer & everything else that walked & he was nice hard dog of about 35#.
     

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