Court Upholds Police Entry For Crying Dogs

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  1. Zoom

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    Court Ruling Upholds Police Entry for Crying Dog | Animals | Change.org

    Uh...am I the only one who is scared sh*tless by what this could/probably does means?
     
  2. Pam111

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    I do not like this
    "I heard the dog barking so I went in and then the pitbull looked mean and wanted to bite me, so I had to shoot him". I can see this happening, oh yes
     
  3. Sweet72947

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    I'm glad they were able to give that beaten dog on the porch a humane end, but as a whole I don't see this ruling as a good thing, not at all!!
     
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    This is scary. Talk about unintended consequences.
     
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    Ok so say my neighbor calls the cops because my dogs whining (as they frequently do if I leave them outside while I'm cleaning) John Q Law shows up and hears the dogs whining in the background because I've locked them outside (or crated and unhappy about life in the crate)...so he can just waltz in my house? I don't think this is cool at all.
     
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    sounds terrifying, doesn't it?
     
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    darkchild16 We are Home.

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    Heck Sci makes noises where you think we were killing him just because hes in his crate, we grab his collar, we look at him wrong. All perfectly normal things pet owners do. SO because the cop doesnt know that greys are drama queens and sensitive as hell they can come in storm my house which Walker would defend and then consiquently most likely get shot.

    YEAH how bout NOT.
     
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    I've got news for you. They're not considering this for the purpose of protecting animals. They're doing this to further their agenda of stripping us of our constitutional rights...to rip apart the constitution, one piece at a time and reduce us further to little ants that they control completely.

    If they want to put an end to animal cruelty, then why haven't they taken a much stronger stance on punishing the perpetrators. Maybe if they make it a real offense, like murdering humans is "suppose" to be, and locking these creeps up for life.... that would deter more sickos from hurting animals.

    Spread the word to not be fooled by their supposed reasons for their nazi-like policies!
     
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    I think it's good. You're going to save a lot more animals than not. The vast majority of police officers are logical people. Yes, there are a couple crazies--but 99% of them aren't going to break down your door because they see you grabbing a dog's collar. That's a stretch.

    The vast majority of neighbors aren't going to be calling the cops because they hear a dog barking either. This is more than that. My neighbor's dog whined all day--I never thought abuse, nor did the other dozen people who lived in our apartment building. I've had fosters who screamed bloody murder in the middle of the night because of separation anxiety (and I lived in an apartment with thin walls, poor neighbors). They didn't call the cops because I HAD TALKED TO THEM. I had a relationship with them. I asked them to come to me first if they had a problem, and I would deal with it. This was a case of BANGING PIPES. It's more than a crate, or separation anxiety.

    Yes, a few innocent people are going to be embarrassed or inconvenienced. A heck of a lot more horrible people are going to be caught. I agree that the punishments need to be increased for those people, but this is a start.

    I don't buy into the "1984-the-government-is-trying-to-suppress-us" ideas though...

    (okay, flame away--I get too emotional in these debates, so I'm going to stay out of it. I just wanted to say my piece)
     
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    Do you read the newspapers? Even the liberal ones? Our own president is disregarding the constitution in many, many ways, breaking laws and disregarding the peoples' wishes. I don't know when you will buy into it or what it will take. If you don't see what's happening, it's because you're being desensatized to your loss of rights and freedom.

    It's a sad state of affairs that the country is becoming a police state where they can bust down peoples' doors and stomp all over their rights, shoot their dogs, their kids and do whatever they like... and to not even be required to have a search warrant! Probable cause: What a subjective thing that will become in cases like these.

    Like I said, punish the criminals, not ordinary citizens who may have a dog that makes horrible sounds, but isn't being abused at all. You'll have police breaking into peoples' houses under the guise of all kinds of things. This law will evolve into other "reasons" and those will evolve into still other "excuses" to break down peoples' door. Most police are "logical" people? Not getting that from a multitude of news stories lately. And besides that, it's not just the police. It's what's behind them...who's backing them.
     
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    I wish I could share your world view. It must be grand not to see the corruption everywhere.

    Course, too many people do share your world view, and that's the problem.
     
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    The one thing through all of this I NEVER understood.

    If a stranger breaks into my house, guns'a'pointing, i'm going to freak out!

    If the police come into my house, guns'a'pointing, why can't my dog freak out?! Why is my dog not allowed to protect my property?

    Chance will go apeshit if someone breaks into my house, doesn't mean hes a bad dog.

    I just HATE that just because a dog is being aggressive when someone enters my home WITHOUT permission, that they can do whatever they want.
     
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    ETA- as for the law... I don't see if affecting me as my dogs don't whine, and kody only barks when I am home and at that point I can answer the door. (I am assuming this law requires them to knock first, no?)

    But for those that this law is going to have a negative effect on, it just sucks...
     
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    I think I have two new favorite quotes....

    "The greatest harm can come from the best intentions" and
    "Passion rules reason".

    Methinks some law makers need to consider those quotes in greater detail...
     
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    The road to hell IS paved with good intentions.
     
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    Ever hear of the "Overton Window Effect"?

    This be an example of it.

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    Cops in PA still need to have a really good reason to search your car. Not so wiht the Game Commission Nazi's.

    - Cop 'thinks' there is something, but not enough reason to search. Calls the Game Warden and says "I think there is a illegal fish in the trunk."

    That's just wrong.
     
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    "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered."
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    The California law doesn't say that police can enter the premises if a dog is barking, only if they believe the dog is being abused. If they enter the property because they believe an animal is being abused and they find illegal substances, they would have to get a separate warrant to search for the illegal substances. If they entered the premises legally (because an animal is being abused), then a judge will most likely give them a warrant to search for illegal substances.

    As for eroding our constitutional rights, I think putting a tap on my phone without a warrant (or getting a warrant after the fact) is more disturbing.
     
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    And a caterwhauling dog behind a closed door is going to make sure to say "Oh, I just hate being crated, carry on with your day, good sirs!"

    And anymore, once the police are in the house, they're not going to bother to stop and get a separate search warrant if they think they found something a little better than an upset pet. They don't have to show you they even have a warrent, did you know that? And depending on who the judge is, it's pretty d*mn easy to get a retroactive warrant if the homeowner has the guts to press the issue.

    This opens the doors to A LOT of potential power abuses, which we already know are treated with a "Look the other way" mandate.
     
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    This is a classic case of "hard cases make bad law." Of course we want the police to be able to rescue an animal that is being tortured and not stand helplessly outside waiting for a warrant. I doubt anyone would disagree with that. The case that made it in front of the court is simply horrific.

    The problem is, of course, that the ability of the police, even when acting in good faith, to understand animal behavior (such as the difference between an animal screaming in real distress and fussing because it is lonely) is demonstrably awful. Worse, the police often don't act in good faith when it comes to searches, and have proven this many times.

    Thus, although the intent of the law is good (and I do think the reason behind the law is not a conspiracy to erode our rights but a genuine horror at animal cruelty) it will almost certainly be abused to used to erode our rights. The courts, of course, could keep the police in line, but they never do. Thus, a hard case made a bad law . . the law being bad because it invites abuse and will be abused.
     

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