well you would be wrong in the truest sense of the word concerning me, i can't speak for everyone. The reason I defend adamantly, I can see the difference, I know its importance. I can see a motivational only, a compulsion only, and one trained using motivation and correction when needed, and I'll take the later as a whole to be a better trained more reliable and have amazing bonds with their handlers. I"ve read the same books as everyone else, plus some I think, i've worked with many different trainers, but the attitude towards anyone using a correction is they're barbaric and undeducated. it has nothing to do with the amount of corrections I give or why I give them that I defend them. Its when I see the posts that say you can't do it, cause it ruins, blah, blah, blah, it does ruffle me as well.