Oh, also I should mention that AFTER our session, my trainer had her dog in a downstay out of Ella's view. Well, my trainer came over to us to talk about the session. I gave Ella to my husband to hold onto because my hands were tired, and my trainer's dog broke her downstay (she's a very well behaved dog and obedient, but no dog is a saint ALL THE TIME) and she came bouncing over to us. Ella didn't pull, lunge, bark or react. She looked at her, but no negative reaction. I can't believe I forgot to mention that. After training sessions, I'm exhausted and overwhelmed with new info. And this CAT stuff is not a walk in the park by any means. I wanted to come home and go to bed, I was SO tired. ETA: I don't know if my trainer is a member of the 5th quadrant. I know she's part of some list serv for this that Kelly (and Jesus? maybe?) are a member of, but I don't know if it's that same yahoo group.