Collies: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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  1. stafinois

    stafinois Professional Nerd

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    I know that we have some Collie people here. I'm interested, Smoothies in particular. The roughs just have WAY more hair than I want to deal with.

    Health? Energy level? Specific concerns? Favorite breeders? Iowa-ish area would be groovy if you have any good ones that you know of :)
     
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    Energy level: HIGH. They say boxers are a high-energy breed. Yah, right lol. Logan can wear Gavroche out and still have a ton of energy left ;)

    They're a herding breed (duh) but are very different from a Mal. Logan is actually a LOT like my parents' GSDs. I don't know if that's a breed thing or a Logan thing (maybe he wants to be a GSD when he grows up lol).

    My favorite breeder would have to be Moxie Collies ;)

    Health wise, the biggest issue that comes to mind is Collie Eye Anomaly. That being said, I don't really have any experience with it. Logan has a very, very mild case that doesn't noticeably affect him at all.

    Smoothies do still shed quite a bit. Not as much as a GSD by any means, but still a pretty good amount.

    Since I've just got into the breed, that's about all I can really offer at the moment. I adore Logan, he's such an awesome dog! He can definitely be a goofball, but when he knows he's working, he's all business (usually ;)).

    Oh. One last thing. They turn into Thylacines when you're not looking. So be careful :rofl1:

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    Keep in mind Logan is a pup though, :p. And he was one of the most active in the litter. Compared to sporting dogs like Charlie the collies are pretty middle of the road for energy. My borzois wear out the collies and I wouldn't call the borzois high energy, just high stamina. :)

    If you're used to malinois energy, a collie would be a piece of cake. In some ways they are almost catlike. They like to keep their feet clean. They should have excellent off switches. They like to curl up on the couch and sleep when they're inside. A collie who has been worked a bit will happy chill out with you and get his stomach rubbed, or face massaged, or whatever. Based on what you've said about your husband, he'd probably find life with a collie tolerable, if not enjoyable.

    The prey drive is mostly channeled into herding instinct. They do like to chase squirrels and little birds, but tend to get along really well with cats and small dogs.

    Drawbacks:

    In my opinion, the biggest is barking. They will bark to alert when something is off, if someone shows up, if they are excited, playing, or they feel like it. It is something you can definitely control with training. For me it's mostly overwhelming when there are 8+ collies doing it at once. :rofl1: And I am used to quiet sight hounds. Someone used to "regular" dogs might not be bothered as much.

    My favorite breeder is Moxie Collies, though Shadaglen is an amazing old working kennel (Moxie's foundation male is from them) and Colbrae produces nice dogs as well.
     
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    Definitely. Of course he still gets puppy zoomies inside on occasion, but for the most part when he's inside he's just chilling. But once he's outside in the yard, he's crazy dog and all the other dogs like to chase him :rofl1: Gavroche is pretty quick, but he has NO chance of actually catching/keeping up with Logan. And then the wieners are just a lost cause. Right now both Logan and Gavroche are passed out on the floor lol.

    The only bad part is when it's too hot to do anything all day. I'll let him out to pee when it's 110 out, but that's about it. We do mind games inside, but it's not the same as a long walk and some running. But a kong goes a log way on days like that, too.

    Logan also gets along awesome with every dog we've run into so far. Gavroche is a little dog reactive, but Logan has had absolutely NO issues. I've even taken him to the dog park a couple times and he LOVES it.

    He definitely barks, but not really excessively. It's very high-pitched though - you'd never guess it came from a 70 pound dog :lol-sign: He can also be a little whiney when he's bored, but again, nothing compared to the GSDs. And again, a kong solves that problem if we can't actually get out and do something.

    Prey drive...Logan's is nothing compared to Gavroche. Gavroche has the prey drive from hell. He'll chase ANYTHING. Logan likes to chase/herd geese, but when they hiss he's smart enough to back off. When Gavroche chases geese and hears them hiss, he wants to chase them MORE :rolleyes:
     
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    I see that all of those breeders are in the PNW. That would be my second favorite area to choose from, as my parents are in Portland. Perhaps I could talk them into coordinating a visit to their granddaughter with picking up a puppy :p

    They certainly sound more like something that my husband would like. When I mentioned Collies he said, "Don't they bark a lot?" I was shocked, as Nathan doesn't know a thing about dogs. I asked where he heard that, and he remembered that Lassie barks a lot on the TV show. I pointed out that it's a TV show, that they do bark when they get excited, but so does Harry and they are much less excitable than Harry. Hopefully our daughter won't be falling into any wells, either.
     
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    As far as barking goes. I really think it depends on the dog. I've had some Collies that bark at EVERYTHING.. and I have others that only bark when there is a real reason to bark -- like a person on the property who should not be. Maybe I'm just used to it and it doesn't bother me as much LOL

    They are good watch dogs, and can be pretty protective of their family if need be. They are smart and very easily trained.

    Over the last couple years I haven't been able to do as much with my dogs as I would like. I used to do herding, obedience, agility and even did a bit of flyball with my dogs, as well as conformation. Though right now, with the exception of a few shows a year I get to go to (crazy work schedule) I mostly send the dogs with handlers right now. Hopefully I will be able to do more with them again in the not so distant future! Agility and herding was my personal favorite.

    I have both roughs and smooths, and personally think there isn't a better breed out there, but I do prefer smoothies!


    For anyone who wants a smooth Collie puppy fix.... photos below, pictured at 3 wks old. Now almost 4 wks old. 8 Smooth babies!

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    Spiritwind - are the puppies spoken for? ;)
     
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    Is there a good Collie forum that I can join? I'm thinking that a Collie would be the best choice for us, at least to help placate my fuddy duddy of a husband!

    I did meet a Smoothie a few years ago that really intrigued me into thinking that at least that dog in particular was the blend of the best traits of both of my dogs. He was intelligent and biddable like my Malinois, but calm and bombproof like my AmStaf. I don't think anything ruffled that dog's feathers. He was a gorgeous blue merle dog that belonged to a former coworker.
     
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    Not that I know of, and I've been searching. It's difficult finding collie anything, because a search brings up about 80% border collies. But no, I'm pretty sure there's no collie forum.
     
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    I haven't been able to find a forum either.
     
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    That seems odd. They are certainly plentiful enough that they have the community for it.
     
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    Maybe it's just in the South, but IME they're not as common as they used to be. When I lived in AL and in TX both, I hardly ever saw one, and it was about a year ago that I finally saw a smooth collie in person.

    Good breeders are incredibly hard to find. There are only about 5 collie breeders in TX at all, and none of them are good.

    But I do agree that there should be a collie forum, there are forums for tons of other breeds. :dunno:
     
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    google PrarieMist Shelties. They breed Collies. I dont know alot about her breeding practices, but I house sit for her. They have good solid temperments and she shows. She's in Alberta, but could give you info

    Did you look up the Collie Club of America?
     
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    I just mean that there are a lot more Collies out there than Belgians, and I have no problems finding Belgian forums.
     
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    There's no breeder listing on the CCA website. :(
     
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    Lizzybeth, yes, most, should be spoken for! Though I plan to grow out two of them myself. The litter is co-bred with breeder friends of mine in Georgia, so some of the puppies will go down with them, though the litter is here with me (The mother, Paris, is my baby and I could not let her leave for a few months to have a litter!)... lol

    Mother is CH Spiritwind Barely An Angel
    Sire is CH Deep River Bow and Arrow


    I do know of some Collie Forums actually. However my favorite one is based in Europe, but its a European based forum devoted to the American Collie.


    They are not near as common as they used to be (a good thing, IMO), and smooths were never as common as roughs anyway, but they are still around.. you just need to know where to look.

    I do know of some good breeders in Texas as well..
     
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    There is at Collies Online: Collies Online -- Breeders Directory

    And maybe I did some looking around today, too. ;)

    Oh, and anything more on health issues? Health and temperament are my biggest concerns (for any potential breed).
     
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    They show one breeder in Kansas...that's one more than I ever knew about :lol-sign:

    I've only seen 2 collies here other than Logan, and one is a very poorly bred one as far as looks go (awesome, intelligent dog, though...that's the dog that beat Gavroche and I in rally a few months back by 1 point). It's amazing when people even know that Logan is a collie!
     
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    Colliesonline is a GREAT place to see what Collies and breeders are doing in all different events. The breeder directory isn't really all that complete though, as far as breeders in each state. There are VERY few breeders listed.

    Also, the 2011 CCA national specialty show is in Tulsa, OK this coming April!

    As far as health goes. The most common thing would be CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), which every puppy any breeder produces should be tested for by a certified ophthalmologist around 6-8 wks of age.

    You need to watch out for bloat in some lines.

    Other less common things would be PRA (seems to be more common in certain bloodlines), as well some lines you see Demodex as well as Dermatomyositis (often called "DM" in the Collie world).

    You can check out the Collie Health Foundation website for more info

    Collie Health Foundation Home Page
     
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    All I know is that they are gorgeous and they are on the list of 50 or so dogs breeds I would like to get :D
     

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