We have a 3 year old dog, we got him when he was 1 and we were told that he was a collie by his last owners. However, I *think* that they did not see the parents beforehand and he was very poorly treated there (implying lying). Now he is 10cm larger than a collie should be, and a lot heavier. I didn't think about it until we had a collie in our dog training class. This dog was half his width and they looked nothing alike. It's not just that he is overweight (although he has gained some weight since being neutered) but his ribs are wider and his feet are much larger. Basically, he is just a bigger, heavier dog. He eats less than our lurcher and gets twice as much exercise yet he maintains his weight. He is 33kgs (measured balanced in a dog basket on scales) but that is 10kg over the 23kg border collie weight braket... I was interested to see what other people thought? Is he just a really overweight collie? I always look at him and think I see a little bit of something else in there... Here are his photos; his face his body; I am sorry about the quality. He is a very active dog and standing still is not his thing. Also the poorer quality pictures were taken 1/2 an hour ago and he has a v. scruffy winter coat. I would also like opinions on our lurcher, we ended up getting her from a friend; before that she was a stray. She is now 10-ish and is the lovely-ist dog ever (she has no flaws). She is taller than a whippet, smaller than a greyhound so we assumed greyhound x whippet. However her nose is wider and she isn't particularily scrawny, even when she was underweight. I know she might look a little overweight now, but at her age I think it is important to have a little extra padding. I was wondering whether people agreed with the greyhound/whippet assumption. Thanks; he has been on a diet for a few months but he just isn't losing weight. Our vet says that while he is still active and healthy it isn't a real issue.