Colby Pit Bulls (standards and the original look)

[elegy]

it's fascinating to me the people who show adba and ukc. they have to fatten their dogs up to show in ukc or they won't do well, period. that's a shame. the adba-style of dogs- extremely fit and muscular- is really, at least to me, what the pit bull breed is all about.

to the OP- what the heck kind of testing are they doing on those dogs? they aren't listed in the OFA database at all. pit bulls are prone to hip dypslasia, elbow dysplasia, and heart disease for starters. the only claim to fame of any of those dogs is that they can scale a six foot fence. that's no reason to breed a dog.

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

Like I said, I do not prefer them personally~s a dog of my own, but would always respect it if it competed against my dog and won.

So you dont have to like them and can choose the more muscular, well balanced one but I can't. A pit isnt supposed to look like a whippet.

ELEGY: No one said anything about fat, MUSCULAR.

 

[Georgygirl]

Maybe there should be decisive split between the AmStaff and the APBT so that those who want the stockier looking dogs could work with AmStaffs and the APBT could keep the look it originally had. It's a shame to change a breed's shape so much especially since we have a lot of pictures of what they originally looked like.

 

[elegy]

ah, but truly muscular and conditioned often won't win in the ukc ring. a pit bull shouldn't look like a whippet, no, but they are supposed to be an athletic dog, not a bulky one.

from the adba standard: Above all, the American Pit Bull Terrier should appear to be an all around athlete. His body is called upon for speed, power, agility and stamina. He must be balanced in all directions. Too much of one thing, robs him of another. In his ideal form, he is a thing of beauty.

Presentation of an adult dog should be of a lean, exercised animal showing a hint of rib and backbone (without hipbones showing) with muscles firm and defined. Clean, glossy coat with short trimmed nails. Presentation of dogs in the puppy classes should be of a well nourished puppy, showing no ribs, backbone or hips. Coat should be glossy with short, trimed nails.

 

[Danegirl2208]

i also dont see anything too special about the first dogs posted...
but i LOVE the Matrix and Jeep lines..WOW!...the pit girly in the pic posted is gorgeous! Now THAT is what a pit bull is suppose to look like! Shes not at all skinny, she could use a bit more muscle tone, but shes still young! She is very well conditioned for her age...a lot of people dont like the look of a game bred pit bull..but that is what they are supposed to look like, they were bred to look like..it makes me sick to see all these 120lb blue hippo mastiff crosses dogs out there, and what makes it all worse is that these "breeders" argue that they are true pit bulls..im sure most of you have seen this but if not take a look..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nnF1AeY6A&search=the real pit bull

 

[Roxy's CD]

I'm not sure if a 7 month old puppy should be that muscular and toned. It's not good for them to be fat but their growing... you don't want to mess with muscle/ligament/joing growth.

All of their dogs are attractive but I don't like the particular pup posted on this thread.

On the matrix website I don't see any dogs that are skinny or NOT muscular. (Of course the ones that are older and filled out) Their pitts look to be in good condition. There's a good mix of stocky and more athletic looking pitts in my town.

It is personal preference.

Just a question though, and this is not sarcastic.

If pitts aren't supposed to be thick and stocky why do they win in confirmation shows? You'd think of all people who should know what a pitt is supposed to look like a judge would know.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

Wow, look at this dog from matrix kennels. Very athletic and fast looking. So beautiful!! Now that is a real pitbull! What bloodlines do they use??

I'm not a fan of short, chunky pit bulls....in fact, I can't stand that look....but that dog is just a little too thin for my liking. I like to see lean pits, but not that lean IMO.

 

[Tobysmom]

I don't know much about pits, but I think that dog looks ok. Doesn't look malnourished to me. She's slim, but still appears healthy, IMO.

 

[Cassiepeia]

That female is gorgeous! Maybe a little more 'sighthound' like than I thought pitties should look, but a very good looking girl nonetheless.
I know nothing about APBTs but I have to say I like the leaner, more athletic dogs over the really chunky ones I've seen. And the giant sized ones some people seem to think should be bred...oh good lord, no. lol

Cass.

 

[rottiegirl]

ah, but truly muscular and conditioned often won't win in the ukc ring. a pit bull shouldn't look like a whippet, no, but they are supposed to be an athletic dog, not a bulky one.

from the adba standard: Above all, the American Pit Bull Terrier should appear to be an all around athlete. His body is called upon for speed, power, agility and stamina. He must be balanced in all directions. Too much of one thing, robs him of another. In his ideal form, he is a thing of beauty.

Presentation of an adult dog should be of a lean, exercised animal showing a hint of rib and backbone (without hipbones showing) with muscles firm and defined. Clean, glossy coat with short trimmed nails. Presentation of dogs in the puppy classes should be of a well nourished puppy, showing no ribs, backbone or hips. Coat should be glossy with short, trimed nails.

Good post!

I want to throw in something... just because you can slightly see a pits ribs doesnt mean that he is malnourished. You are supposed to see their ribs to an extent. If you look at the female I posted you dont see any rib, so she is obviously well fed!

 

[Mach1girl]

The skinny"whippit"style dogs ARE winning UKC competitions IF they are in the running against the short stockier ones~AS long as there are no faults in the skinnier toned dog. For example, you enter 20 short stocky pits, and one Jeep dog, and the Jeep will walk away a winner every time verses the others, however, if the Jeep dog has an over bite, undershot, floating eye, turn in the vertebre, or a bald spot, no, it will not win, the next healthiest toned dog will.

They are winning.
Matrix dogs, I beleive are on a raw diet as well, this keeps them lean. They are also worked very hard.Always winning competition. The site is full of bragging rights, and they have earned them.

Each dog is different, like us. You can take 5 dogs, all the same size, and feed them the same, comdition them the same, but they will all turn out slightly different. The "skinny" dog, happens to have a heck of a tuck, prolly natural.

This is why you investigate hard before buying, you get what you want if you take the time. And study.

 

[rottiegirl]

I'm not sure if a 7 month old puppy should be that muscular and toned. It's not good for them to be fat but their growing... you don't want to mess with muscle/ligament/joing growth.

All of their dogs are attractive but I don't like the particular pup posted on this thread.

On the matrix website I don't see any dogs that are skinny or NOT muscular. (Of course the ones that are older and filled out) Their pitts look to be in good condition. There's a good mix of stocky and more athletic looking pitts in my town.

It is personal preference.

Just a question though, and this is not sarcastic.

If pitts aren't supposed to be thick and stocky why do they win in confirmation shows? You'd think of all people who should know what a pitt is supposed to look like a judge would know.

Its all about MONEY.

About real pit bulls... if you dont like an athletic looking, slim, muscular dog, then get a different breed.

I understand that some people like thicker looking pit bulls, and thats ok as long as you dont go too far with it. Pits can be up to 70 pounds, and anything over that is ridiculous in my opinion. I like ones in the 40-55 pound range, others like them in the 60-70 range. Either way... at any weight, they should look very athletic.

A well conditioned dog looks COMPLETELY different than if they were 5 pounds over-weight. A dog could come from a great working bloodline and he could look horrible and fat if not conditioned at all.

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

First of all I could care less about who wins what. Georgy, that is true. Amstaffs are way stockier than an APBT. Yes, the dog Rottie posted is decent but I would like a little more muscle to them. They still have a tuck, but their legs and chest are more muscular. Like Doberman muscle not Rottie muscle (dont ask where I got that from). Rotties muscles are hidden by bulk whereas the Doberman musles is refined and tones. I just prefer a little more toned muscle.

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

There is this ABPT at work boarding (she's practically always there, what a life , but anyways) and IMO she is a wonderfully balanced toned pit. She is exacty the image i am trying to portray. I'll see if I can get a picture of her tomorrow.

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

About real pit bulls... if you dont like an athletic looking, slim, muscular dog, then get a different breed

I love slim muscular athletic dogs, hence the fact I have a Doberman, a dog that fits that exact criteria. I just prefer my dogs not to look anorexic.

 

[Georgygirl]

Did you look at the other dogs at Matrix GSDlover? They aren't that skinny, I think that pup was just young. They had some great pics of weight pulling too.

 

[~Tucker&Me~]

Wow, I think that girl is gorgeous!
I DEFINATELY prefer the leaner, smaller pit bulls, though still with lots of muscle!

~Tucker

 

[Roxy's CD]

GeorgyGirl Agreed. The pup in the pic is only 7 months old. None of their other dogs that are older and filled out look like that.

As for weight of a pitt. I don't think weight matters as long as their not obviously overweight and porportionate. My little guy weighs almost 60 lbs. He is not overweight. And he doesn't look to be 60 lbs. It's just the way he's built. IMO he doesn't look anything like a street pitt, he's actually quite slim looking.

Rottiegirl - Do you mean money as in people with money win? Or money as in the reason they breed big pitts is for money?

I understand that pitts are supposed to be athletic and the dogs on the site look very athletic. I just find it to be a very undesirable look for a 7 month old baby. Babies look lanky and not put together for a reason, their still growing...

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

Did you look at the other dogs at Matrix GSDlover? They aren't that skinny, I think that pup was just young. They had some great pics of weight pulling too.

Yes, I realize the puppy is too young but Rottie said she was a great example of a pit bull. A puppy (at that young age), IMO is never a great example of any breed, I was just making a point.

 

[Georgygirl]

Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood.