Colby Pit Bulls (standards and the original look)

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  1. darkchild16

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    Alot of people are confused about what pits should look like so i decided to post the American Dog Breeders Association standards which go by the "old" or original pit bulls. And here is a picture of Colby Pit Bulls one of the best pit bull lines. they were the one of the first "modern" pit bull breeders. Colby dogs have been bred since 1889. His dog Horners Luger was the first Staffordshire terrier champion of canada. Their line has not changed much in the last 100 years. "to own a pure colby dog is to own a peice of history." they are one of the purest pit lines Since he does not advertise.

    Standard-
    General Appearance
    The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.
    Characteristics
    The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.
    Head
    The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.
    of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite. Fault: Level bite.
    height and weight
    The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.


    i did edit this so if you want to read the whole thing heres the linkhttp://www.pitbulllovers.com/american-pit-bull-terrier-breed-standard.html
     
  2. ~Tucker&Me~

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    Thanks, that was informative :).

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  3. darkchild16

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    im bout to enter pics just trying to get compy to work :D
     
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    really not very impressive. i certainly wouldn't buy a dog from them. what's so great about them other than they come out of colby dogs? not all colby dogs were or are worth breeding. nothing indicates that these dogs have been shown, health tested, or worked in any way. with the huge glut of below-par pit bulls in the world, only the proven best should be bred.

    i love the look of matrix dogs. if i were going to buy a pit bull, they'd be a the very top of my list.
     
  6. LabBreeder

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    I'd have to agree with elegy, at least partially. What breeder would sell "a pair for breeding purposes to someone interested in becoming a breeder"??? I could be wrong, but I thought that was frowned upon. What's to say the "breeding pair" won't end up breeding with another dog or having so many litters it's unhealthy? Or that the pair will even go to a good home? I also thought most breeders offered a 1 or 2 year health guarantee, and one with more specifics listed?

    Obviously the guy does advertise, even if it's just online, otherwise he wouldn't be able to sell his pups.
     
  7. rottiegirl

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    Its nice to see a breeder who doesnt breed for massive size. They have a male that they are not going to breed because he is too large at 80 pounds. I would make sure that they do health testing.


    EDIT: I just noticed this paragraph on their web site...

    The bloodlines we used to produce our strain were COLBY, GAFF, LARUM, MASON (Ch. Hog), RUFFIAN, SIERRA, WATCHDOG and YORK.

    I know that GAFF and WATCHDOG lines are very poor, because they mix in mastiff blood. I dont think I would ever want to buy from them either...
     
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  8. rottiegirl

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    Wow, look at this dog from matrix kennels. Very athletic and fast looking. So beautiful!! Now that is a real pitbull! What bloodlines do they use??

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  9. darkchild16

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    i wil prolly get one from them because they have the kind i like and im not worried about showing and they do do all the testing and everything i called them last year for a dog. and hes not J. Colby who is the guy who did not advertise you had to contact him if you wanted one of his dogs. i couldnt find any of L. colbys(J. colbys relative that is running it now) dogs tht i could use.
     
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    That female looks skinny to me.. but what do I know....:rolleyes:

    I know that most "street pitts" nowa days are overweight and too stocky but that dog looks malnourished.

    Their other female "Lilly" looks much better. Muscular but not bulky.
     
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    I dont know anything about pit lines but any breeder who advertises breeding pairs on their website for anyone to buy is NOT a breeder I would be getting from.
     
  12. rottiegirl

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    There are alot of breeds that are naturaly slim. It gives them speed, and pits are supposed to be quick on their feet. I can tell you this much... that dog wouldnt have any muscle tone if she was malnourished, but she is ripped. I have seen very few pits in that good of shape.

    People are so used to seeing over sized dogs in general that they have no idea what a dog in excellent shape looks like, and its sad.
     
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    i love the small one the giant ones arent how they originally look or how they should look.
     
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    Well seeing as the dog is only 7 months old that would explain why it's so skinny. I seriously doubt that it will be that small in a year or two...

    Lilly the (CH) female, is much more filled out. She doesn't seem overweight or larger than a pitt should be. Hence her CH.
     
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    That pit you posted Rottie, is way to skinny for a pitbull. A pitbull is supposed to be somewhat stocky, not all skin and bones. I agree that the pit bull size has been exxagerated to the maximum, but that pit is not one I would want. IMO, the ones the OP posted look very well balanced for a pit bull, but I would not get one from them because their ethics do not agree with mine, but that is the way I prefer pits to look.
     
  16. rottiegirl

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    That dog is not skin and bones. Take a look at the early pits. I really do not think that dog is too skinny. She is perfect with a nice tuck, and very toned. Skin is tight fitting. I have seen what pits are supposed to look like. Of course she will fill out a little, because she is young, but she will still be thin. She looks amazing for her age.

    Take a look at this forum. Its members are very knowledgeable with the breed... http://www.game-dog.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=36

    Here are some early pits. Some of them are fighting champions, but I just wanted to show you how the early ORIGINAL ones looked before people started ruining the breed. You can see that they have a small "waist" and well sprung ribs. Most pits now days dont have a tuck at all.

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    I know many pits, and standards do change. Many dogs dont look like they were intended to, and I prefer the look of the OP link. Maybe they were SUPPOSED to look all skinny in the past but things change, and IMO the first ones look great. Well balanced and muscular.
     
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    Not true. The standard pitbull will be found in the "game lines" more so then for instance, Gaff or RE.

    Jeep is a good line.

    That dog posted IS close, if not, to standard.

    I personally am not a fan of the look, my pits are short and stocky, but if I were a serious competetor, Id definalty go with a Matrix dog.

    Scott has many champion dogs and is so dedicated to the breed it makes the rest of us looks like chumps!

    But good luck if you try to aquire a dog from him, he screens, screens, and more screens. He is a true hero to the breed.

    www.apbtconformation is a wonderful informative site.Everything need to be known, is on this site.

    Owned and operated by Scott Dowd of Matrix Kennels.
     
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    Thats a true pitbull!Kudos.
     
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    But the standard has not changed. Just because a short, stocky, brick house enters a UKC show, and wins, doesnt mean that the standard has changed, it just means he was the best of what happened to show up that day, is all.........

    You enter a standard, well toned, muscled up "game type" pitbull, and he will win every time.

    Standard has not changed, society has changed the breed. Anything luckily left over from standard lines, is a lucky dog.

    Like I said, I do not prefer them personally~s a dog of my own, but would always respect it if it competed against my dog and won.
     

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