CM gets bitten... again (vid included)

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  1. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    I'm curious... if I took one of your bombproof dogs and killed it because it lacked drive, how would that sit with you? Dogs without drive aren't "worth" much to me.

    ETA: Y'all know this is just a theoretical and I would never kill a dog because it didn't tug, right? :rofl1:
     
  2. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Great post. Lemur says thank you. :)
     
  3. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    And he shall have many Lemur cookies in return.
     
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    Do we know what they did do? I know someone said in the full episode they talked of hitting her with a broom? I didnt see it so dont know. ALl I do know is in this video, she did not go straight to biting. She gave plenty of warnings.
     
  5. Renee750il

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    Honestly? Not being malicious -- but frankly I wouldn't allow kids who did that around my dogs. I don't allow it and if I see it happening to someone else's dog I step in. There's no reason for a dog to die because someone hasn't taught their kids to have respect for animals -- or their own safety.

    My cousin's four year old girl stomped Kharma's foot (on purpose -- I saw it since I never allowed her near the dogs if I wasn't present). I never let her come near any of mine again. Ever. Her mother's not allowed around them either, for that matter.
     
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    You didnt like my comparison between a dog and a human so don't do the same thing. A dog is a DOG. A dogs life has little value in comparison to my family.
    People will divorce because my "husband didn't like my dogs". People feed their dogs Orijen but yet their kids are dressed in rags. People spend insane amounts of money on their pets when their are (oh yes I'm going there) starving kids in Africa or bomb victims in the Middle East. People spend their time talking going to dog flyball compititions and forget their child's soccer game.
    I'm not saying any of you do the above but what I'm say is that people's perceptions and priorities are skewed in this society.
    Put down the man biters and move on to the dogs that aren't dangerous to their families and to the general public.
    I AM permitted to have opinions, yes? You can counter my opinions and that is fine but it won't make a difference in how I think (all my cave woman ways lol).
    I don't mind being logical on a very primal level. My kids are my life. Anything threatens them and they are dead.
     
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    Yea maybe you wanna quote the rest of it... :rolleyes:
     
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    Are you sure it was hitting her.... are you sure it wasn't... nothing. :rofl1: sorry I couldn't help myself.
     
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    If you think about it, it's WORSE if you let kids act like that . . . while you supervise.
     
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    Well if you had it then it wouldn't be mine and would be no skin off of my a**.
    As long as death is swift and there is no suffering...
     
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    Thank you dr Phil. I appreciate the parenting advice from (I'm assuming) one who isn't a parent.
     
  12. Renee750il

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    So, essentially, if it's not your dog, you don't really give a d@mn what happens to it? As long as it's quick?
     
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    I have owned dogs for 53 years and trained my own dogs since I was around 9 or 10. I don't have a PhD in behavior, but I took 2 years of animal behavior in high school and 2 in college. I spent an additional 8 or 9 years researching, studying for 10 - 12 + hours a day, rather obsessively, some seminars and help from mentors...the science of behavior and current behaviorists' methods and ideas etc, etc. It's a passion of mine and so I have really put a lot of time into it. I tend to do things that way when I get passionate about them. Ask my kids when I was practicing the piano for a wedding. I drove them nuts, practicing one complicated line over and over again for hours. I didn't want to blow it and I spent 12 hours at least a day getting it down pat...lots of new music. I pulled it off, but wrecked my wrists doing it...bad tendinitis. I have also, up until recently when I moved, trained professionally as a behavior specialist/consultant. It's how I made my living. I have worked heavily with dogs that have "aggression" issues...of various types along with other kinds of problems that owners call me for besides regular obedience training. Although I have taken some agility with my Doberman, that is something I would not be equipped to teach. I don't know enough about it.

    At any rate, this is not a competition. There are so many people, even here on Chaz who have lots of ideas that never occurred to me, who have more experience with difficult dogs than I. There is ALWAYS something more to learn and experience, no matter how much someone already has done. And I certainly haven't done close to what a lot of people have. Those are generally the people I go to for information and advice. The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. :eek:
     
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    No, I didn't like it, but YOU are the one who used the comparison; therefore I used the same kind of comparison back to you. In other words, I am speaking your language. You drew a parallel which means you think it is a valid parallel. I don't believe it's a valid parallel but because you do and I am speaking to you about your thought process I am continuing the parallel.

    I suppose it's no longer fair if somebody turns the tables on you though.
     
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    Yes, she was. What a dog perceives as aggression and being pushed hard is different than what a human perceives as aggression and being pushed hard. Since you're so adamant that dogs aren't people, I would think you'd be aware of that.
     
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    :hail::hail::hail:
     
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    Yes. As long as death is immediate. I give a **** what is happening to it: I don't want it to be abused, neglected, starved etc.
    I love dog but I don't prioritize her over real issues taking place in this world.
    I love my dog and while she is in my care she gets the best of everything- diet, vet care, toys, we are going to be getting her insured (Canadian vet care is much higher then the states as far as I've seen/heard of).
    If I didn't love my dog I wouldn't join a forum for dogs ;)
    I just don't believe the "all creatures big and small are equals" mantra.
     
  18. Renee750il

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    Neither do I.

    There are a lot of people I'd throw in front of a speeding car to save my dogs.
     
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    This has nothing to do with dogs being seen as equals, I certainly dont feel that way.

    It has to do with responsibility. It has to do with recognizing in THIS situation, the dog was pushed to bite. She most likely would be a fairly easy rehab.
     
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    It is a competition apparently... I can almost guarantee you asked me what education I had so that you could list off all of your credentials which made you look more then a little pompous. You win! :D
    I can see that the dog was distressed, yes. I can see that Cesar exacerbated the animals distress, yes. Did the dog react appropriately, no (explanation: I have seen dogs go through much more stress then this and never react this way).
    Those are my opinions. I have validated your claim. I have stated how I feel/what I think. I now have nothing more to add. I digress.
     

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