CM gets bitten... again (vid included)

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  1. LauraLeigh

    LauraLeigh New Member

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    That's awesome!!!! And sad as hell at the same time...

    I honestly believe this kind of crap methods is what got Doug (The Great Dane I had, not sure who remembers him, killed) I managed him for 2 weeks... The Great Dane Rescue's supposed experienced with resource guarding foster home? 1 day and they ended up with 20 stitches.... And put him down...
     
  2. milos_mommy

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    Without reading all the responses, I just want to mention that in the very beginning where the become aggressive towards Caesar and he lunges at her and become very threatening with her body language in response, the owner states that the dog HAS NOT confronted Caesar in that manner before.

    So...basically whatever aggression that dog was showing previously was WORSENED by whatever Caesar was doing.
     
  3. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    I guess the best thing we can do it keep getting the word out there Bout how damaging these methods are.
     
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    Absolutely, positively, no question about it.
     
  5. AliciaD

    AliciaD On second thought...

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    Every time I watch these videos it just reminds me of a battle field. Who wants to train that way? So disturbing. Poor dog.
     
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    Exactly my thoughts when I see him doing what he does to dogs. It's like he and his followers must love that power they have over dogs. It's sickening. This adversity in the name of "rehabilitating" or "training" is so unnecessary and counter productive.
     
  7. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    Yeah no one is chastising his reaction TO being bit (I mean f***k it HURTS o_O) the thing everyone has the issue with is what he DID leading UP to the bite. That he CAUSED the bite in the first place not what he did to "get the dog off him"

    I watch his show in a different light now, where he sees "calm submission" & "respect" I see mistrust & confusion & learned helplessness. The biggest issue I have is that he only tells the dogs what not to do & doesn't give them an alternate behavior even :/
     
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    I'm NOT watching it, but I agree that when a dog is eating DO NOT F7$K with it or its food!
     
  9. Doberluv

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    My dogs love me to F7$K with their food. They think, "oh boy! She's bringing a piece of that left over chicken parmessan she had for dinner. Hurry up Mom, stick it right in here!" That's only because they have learned that people near or sticking their hands in their bowl means it's a good thing....and not one iota of a threat. Of course, if a dog has resource guarding issues or hasn't been conditioned to understanding that people are no threat to their food, then yeah....leave them be until they are conditioned to liking people near their food or valuables.
     
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    Yeah...and this family had a little toddler. Toddlers don't always understand that and follow rules. Sure, the family could crate the dog at meal times...but what if someone drops a piece of good and the dog and baby go for it at the same time?

    Teaching a dog to to be comfortable with people handling it's food is very important.

    Threatening a dog who is frightened of it's food being taken away is the exact opposite of how to do this.
     
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    Exactly-My dogs are the same way. They dont mind me in their food a bit-and it ends up me hand feeding which they LOVE the interaction...

    BUT-I never agreed with THIS test being part of a temperment test that decides if a dog gets euthanized or not. A dog, that is awesome all the way around EXCEPT not wanting his food messed with, will be put down instead of rehomed. And this makes me angry BECAUSE some dogs are just like that.

    To tease a dog and make him react-is wrong, and will likely end up a permanant case of the dog never changing or learning and always fearing and not trusting.

    And I agree about the child dropping food. Is why our Zeus, who has Hugely High prey drive for footballs, gets put up in his crate when our grandbaby-to-be comes over.....she loves balls and I wont wait for her to drop or reach for one at the same time as Zeus. Not food, same concept.
     
  12. JessLough

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    Grand baby to be? As in not born yet? Loves balls? So confused by that.. LOL
     
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    I'm assuming the baby's mother/father is going to marry into Mach's family??
     
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    Oh, I agree. It is not about temperament if a dog guards his food. That's completely normal behavior. Some dogs just come without a strong feeling that they need to guard and some dogs need extra conditioning. But to use that as a test of whether the dog has a good temperament is a mistake. I guess they need to test to find out if the dog is okay with people messing around near his food so they know how adoptable he is or if he'll need some work. I've always started my puppies with me sitting on the floor next to them when they eat...at least part of the time. I pat them, stick extra goodies in their food, approach them while they're eating with something special. They just seem to learn by osmosis that it's just fine when someone comes near. And toddlers in high chairs or walking around with food are a great help. They drop food all the time. Woo hoo! Little kids bringeth many good things.
     
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    Lol, my son has gotten engaged to a woman that has an 18 month old girl. Happy days, HOWEVER, my APBT have NEVER been around tiny ones, and are crated when she is in my house. Well, except Jasper, he is my Boxer and he follows her everywhere. And Dixie, the oldest pitbull, teases her, nudges her and runs and lets the baby catch her then takes off running again..they do this all evening. But we keep close tabs on everything. The others just get crated...
     
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    I think it makes sense to find out how much resource guarding behavior a dog has. In general, it would be preferable for a dog adopted to a family with young children to not be a resource guarder. The behavior can be worked with (not by threatening and intimidating!), but easier if you can avoid it in the first place.

    It shouldn't really be a huge deal in an adult household. I'd still work on fixing it, but it can be managed during the fixing.
     
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    It depends on the dog, IMO, if a resource guarder should be put down or adopted out. I think in most cases the dog needs to go to a rescue or foster home with a trainer, before they're adopted out to someone.

    I think if a dog gives a warning growl when their food is approached, lifts their lip, and even goes to snap or bite at the hand going into the bowl, can usually safely be adopted to an adult home with some dog experience.

    If a dog is A SERIOUS guarder, with a bite history, bites without warning, or really attacks the hand or goes for the person rather than just giving a bite and letting go when the threat retreats...if they can't find a trainer home, they should be put down. It's sad...but it's a big risk.
     

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