Clicker Training 101

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  1. Kayla

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    I’ve decided to create this post in an attempt to answer the recent surge of clicker training related questions as to date we seem to have no formal sticky or central knowledge area. My hope is that this post will be useful for all pet owners- new and old- trainers from all types of background who have heard of clicker training, might be interested in trying it- but have no clue what it’s all about or how it works. Enjoy.

    Clicker Training 101-What, Why and How are people training their dogs with a plastic sound making device?


    Clicker training has been around since the late 50’s and was wide spread in the aquarium industry for training marine mammals to perform shows. Traditional methods were very ineffective with animals, which could simply swim away or hide at the bottom of the tank for half an hour. Many people can be thanked for it’s development, but Karen Pryor is the pioneer respnsible for bringing clicker training to dry land and to be used with dogs. A former dolphin trainer- she couldn’t see why people were still using choke’s and e-collars to teach when there was such a simpler and fun method out there.

    How does it work?
    You will be relieved to know a clicker is not some type of magical device which taps into a primal part of the dog’s brain and compels him to listen, nor is it a gimmick, we could train dogs with many different things, the key is in the relationship of the click noise and food. Ian Pavlov was the first to discover a novel sound or smell could be closely paired with food. His famous ringing a bell followed by delivering food was the corner stone of the field of science we know as Classical Conditioning. Ian discovered that after a short time of pairing the bell with food, the bell itself soon caused the dogs to drool- in essence the bell had become a predictor of food. The clicker works on the same principle. Alone it is a novel sound- BUT when paired closely with something your dog desires it becomes a powerful event marker, and in training can be used to communicate to your dog EXACATLY what he did correctly to earn a reinforcer. Furthermore it acts as a bridge between the time he performs the behaviour and receives the reward.

    So to review:

    The clicker is NOT magical; it works because of classical conditioning, the process of pairing something novel with something the dog wants. Overtime this makes the novel item/ sound/ smell/ sight a predictor of good things to come.

    The clicker acts as an event marker, telling your dog exactly what he did right

    The clicker acts as a bridge between the time the behaviour is performed to the delivery of the treat.

    Are there any rules to Clicker Training?

    Yes one, and only one- in order to keep the clicker as a predictor of good things, it MUST remain just that- a constant predictor, this means if you click- you must deliver a reinforcer- unless you want to wash away the meaning and effectiveness of the clicker. Does this mean you need to click every behaviour- No, in fact once your dog has the behaviour on cue, you no longer need the clicker- but during learning, if you click you MUST deliver a reinforcer. Clicking at the wrong time may set your training back temporarily, but this is easily over come- however washing away the value of the clicker will not be as easy to overcome.

    So I understand what a clicker is and why it works, but HOW do we use it to train dogs?


    There are three major components of clicker training

    1) Observe the behaviour- Clicker training requires a keen eye, the two types of methods to build behaviour in clicker training are capturing (waiting for the behaviour to occur on it’s own and then clicking it) and shaping (building the behaviour gradually step-by-step)

    2) Mark the behaviour- Think of clicking as taking a picture of the behaviour. Your eye sight is the LCD display screen and you want to take a picture of the behaviour in progress. Near the end is fine, but it is always better to click early then late.

    3) Reward the behaviour- The only guideline for this is make sure you keep the reward out of sight initially as the dog is still learning about the clicker and at this point will focus more on the reward. Second make sure you find something your dog enjoys- not something you think he enjoys. There is a big difference. Try out 6-7 different food items and observe if they are gobbled up instantly, sniffed and then eaten or passed by and rate them from 1-5 in terms of interest level. Do the same with 5 different toys ( a tug toy, chase a Frisbee, chase a ball, etc)

    An example of teaching your dog to sit using capturing (that is waiting for the behaviour to be offered naturally)

    Tethering when using capturing is a good idea as it limits your dogs options as to what behaviours he may perform, the instant he begins to sit click and deliver reinforcer. Repeat, taking breaks now and then. Once he is offering the sit on purpose to get the click it is time to add a cue.

    Unlike in traditional training where we add the cue BEFORE the dog can perform the behaviour well, in clicker training we wait until AFTER the dog is offering the finished behaviour to add the cue. To add the cue simply say it as the dog is offering the behaviour, click and treat. Slowly move the cue back earlier and earlier. After this you can teach your dog that only cued responses get clicked and treated and un cued responses will go un clicked.

    Alright, that makes sense- so what’s the deal am I stuck carrying this clicker around with me forever? No. The clicker is just for developing behaviour, once it’s on cue, the clicker is put away. After that you can move to a variable schedule of reinforcement without the clicker. Keep it in hand encase you need to touch something up.

    I have read this entire post and I promise if I click I will always deliver a reinforcer- but I don’t get it what’s the big deal about clicker training, is it sooo different from just positive reinforcement?

    The best result of clicker training, in my personal experience as both a crossover trainer from traditional methods and the owner of a crossover dog who was trained with collar corrections and treats is the way the “Game†is played. In traditional or even “balanced†training ( corrections plus treats) you are constantly looking for a mistake and be able to catch it to maintain a behaviour. You have to deal with maintaining your dog’s focus and fight with stress related behaviours as a result of the methods such as displacement and avoidance behaviours. With clicker training your dog wants to learn, you are the most interesting thing at that moment so there is never a power struggle going on. Furthermore it takes the dog from a passive observer to an active participant and it really shows. Lastly it creates a dog whose not afraid of trying things, the worst thing that happens when he is wrong is he doesn’t get a click- oh well try again, traditional trained dogs often go into a behaviour void when first learning clicker training because until this point, trying things has never gotten them far.

    Video Files

    Listed below are some of my own personal training sessions with my dog Duke, who is now a confident clicker savvy dog who loves to use his mind to make me click as well as multiple videos from You tube showing clicker training in action- ENJOY.

    Clicker Training the Figure 8

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    Some Misc Videos on Youtube ( not mine)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC367wKGi4M

    Clicker training your dog to LOVE handling

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgEwiH8CeUE

    Neat demo of a clicker trained dog
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7F7G4MgQFY
     
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  2. milos_mommy

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    Sticky this?!?!
     
  3. Kayla

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    Do you have some type of aversion to it becoming a sticky?
     
  4. Angelique

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    Good topic. :)

    I don't see how a clicker thread can ever be as simple as "101"...yet it's always a great discussion.

    I think it's important to mention the conditions and results of the experiments conducted by B. F. Skinner, who is sometimes considered the "Father of Operant Conditioning".

    Pavlov did indeed define the basics of Classical Conditioning.

    Although they work together, there is a difference between associative learning and operant conditioning - which includes all four quadrants. Clicker (or marker) training is a fun and accurate way to learn the quadrant of Positive Reinforcement. But, "punishments" can also be marked, as science has proven.

    I've found the words "clicker trainer" are not the same as "one who uses a clicker to train". The first is a belief system unto itself, and the other is part of a larger, and more "balanced" perspective.

    Karen Pryor's body of work is fascinating.
     
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    Great Post, If I'd ever tried this mine would be too long for anyone to read :rolleyes:

    I think (hope) Milo was asking if it would be stickied, the questions marks were to ask someone to sticky it.
     
  6. TheGoldenRetriever

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    Great post Kayla! Particularly like your emphasis regarding the clicker NOT being any kind "magical" device, but rather a tool for positive training.

    Please understand that I am NOT anti-clicker training ... but some of the hyperbole advanced by some clicker trainers is pretty eye-ball rolling stuff. Unfortunately this includes Karen Pryor. Some of the statements on her web site blatantly say that clicker training is the ONLY method of positive training and the ONLY way to go beyond having a dog that merely "obeys basic commands".

    A brief excerpt:
    Ummm ... beg to differ. There have been MANY "something more" dogs long before clicker training, which only has relatively recent application in canines. It is also not the ONLY method of positive training.

    Again, not "anti-clicker" and it is an excellent training method ... but just can't stand ANY trainer insisting that their very own method is the ONLY way. That includes "dominance theory" emphasizers like Cesar Millan. Perhaps it's his current celebrity status that has clicker trainers using hyperbole and absolutes like "only". Karen Pryor's work is certainly fascinating, my objection is simply her insistent hyperbole.

    Insistences that one's own method is the only way tends to turn people away by turning them off rather than attracting them to what is a sound training method. In addition to turning some off, it also has the unfortunate effect of making others think clicker training is somehow "magical" ... something that they either cannot do or worse, something that will be an instantaneous training method. Ummm no, there are no "quick fixes" or "magic" in training. Repitition, patience, and work are still required, even with use of a clicker. Kayla, your much more balanced approach to the subject is very refreshing ... seems it would make a fine sticky post. :)
     
  7. dr2little

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    Great thread Kayla and yes, sticky worthy for sure! Done!!!:)
     
  8. JoelSilverman

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    Great Job on Description of Clicker Training

    That was a great description of clicker training, but if I could, I would like to make just one correction. Being a former killer whale and dolphin trainer (you can see the pictures on my website), I actually won the I.M.A.T.A. "Behavior of the Year Award" in 1986. I just wanted to mention that I, along with many other marine mammal trainers found that the clicker or whistle did not need to be followed by the reinforcer, as you mentioned.

    I teach people that the clicker or whistle is a form of communication, and nothing else. It only means the animal did the behavior correctly. Will the animal get a reward? Probably, but on a varied schedule, it creates much more drive and excitement from the animal. I teach trainers to stay unpredictable. If you want a great example in dog training, take a look at the agility trainers. They click, but sometimes never reward the animal until the end. That builds drive and attitude.

    Using a reward consistently after the bridge is what caused all the aggression problems with the killer whales in the 1980's. I know.. I was there.

    But that was a great description of the clicker!!!
     
  9. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    This is one of the differences between bridge and marker uses. And the difference between dogs and killer whales. There are studies out there where it shows dogs who are clicked without the reinforcer always following do lose some response to the clicker.

    I heartily agree with a variable reward schedule!! I just don't click at those times. In fact I don't click when the behaviour is on cue. You can correct me if I am wrong but most marine animals I have seen 'working' are still getting marked and rewarded frequently.

    For example 'here' 'sit' 'off' are not rewarded often (hardly ever), yet stay on cue. How many times will a killer whale work for no reward, or bridge?
     
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    Oh no....not the word "studies". I always wonder who the people are doing the studies. My experience is based on the practical world and what is realistic. I guess what I was trying to say in my original post is that when you base clicker training all on the "reward", you miss out on the most important aspect. The clicker was the communication to the animal that the behavior was correct. As a trainer of marine mammals and dogs, it doesn't matter whether it is a dolphin, killer whale, or dog.

    As I mentioned in my previous post, take a look at agility dog trainers. Some of the best ones reward the animal very infrequently.
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    LOL I am an agility trainer :D We do reward infrequently. But if you talk to the best of the best they ALL say if you click you must reward. (Susan Garrett, If you dont' want to reward, don't click. It is communication Greg Derret etc etc, no one is missing that. Its a communication and a promise. I try never to break a promise.

    (the studies are practical too)
     
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    Actually there are some service dog organizations that don't treat after every click.... It makes it easier to build behavior chains. I know there are some trainers who are really looking at it right now and figuring out if it helps or hurts the training.

    Basically, though, I say if you're not a professional trainer and you're only working with your one personal dog, just take the easy route and give a treat after every click. Otherwise you might stretch the reinforcement out too far and you'll get a dog who's desensetized to the clicker. It is pretty hard to tell when to give a reinforcement and when not to, so for most people it's just easier to do it every time. Of course, it is important to put all dogs on variable schedules of reinforcement, so for pet dog owners I just say don't click if you don't want to give a treat.
     
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    When I helped out with Zoo training, particularly with the gorilla's, there were times when the 'reward marker' was used more as a "you done good;), let's make it a little cleaner" marker...rewards were not always given.

    The keepers thought that this made the jackpots for 'superior' performance much more rewarding and still allowed a very specific and clear message that they were headed in the right direction.

    Reward markers in Zoo training are also used for a much longer period of time than they are for dog training.

    I still use clickers in all of my classes, from puppy to GROWL and everything in between and I do teach that it is simply a reward marker (followed by the reward EVERY SINGLE TIME).

    Edited to fit more appropriately into this thread - CLEARLY A CLICKER BASICS THREAD.
     
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    I think that since this is a 101 thread, we should keep it "user friendly." I am not a trained anything. I have two dogs that are my buddies. The time I spend training them is more like fun time than it is work time for us. I would have no clue when to click and not treat or click and treat.

    It's easier for me to click and treat in the beginning, and then randomly click and treat after the behavior is learned or after a series of behaviors. as in "sit, good sit! down, good down! stay.........good stay! click, treat."

    so in the gist of 101 training, maybe we can leave this thread with the basics.... I for one would get wholey confused on when to not treat after clicking. JMO.
     
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    I couldn't agree more and actually thought about revising my post for that very reason.

    For dog training, ALWAYS follow the click with a reward, without exception. :) The clicker (or any reward marker) can be faded once the behavior being taught is understood. I use the LIGHT BULB MOMENT as my indicator that the reward marker has done it's job and it's time to start to fade into cues.

    Fading the reward will take much more time and should be done very gradually once distance, duration and distraction has been added.
     
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    Fun at our Puppy Class!!

    sorry about this.
     
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  17. erica12

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    I trained my dog before when he was 7 month old but I realized that he wasn't like to be trained he just want the stake i gave him every time there's a good trick he made or a hard fall.

    lots of stuffs!
     
  18. jrafique

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    Yeh you are right. Particle is what all about in this regard. Studies can make you a good reader but not a good trainer.
     
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    Wow, thanks so much for this post! I have been trying to learn about this method to see if it would be right for our next puppy and this is a really great start :)
     
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    is it realy effective method to train dogs? another form of mind conditioning strategy.

    more info on dog training
     

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