Change of Heart...Border Collie

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  1. Fandogg

    Fandogg New Member

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    I've been re-thinking my decision to get a Brittany and I think I'd rather just stick to agility and we all know the best breed for that. (Border Collie)...My question is could I just do agility with a Border Collie to satisfy it's needs because I really don't want anything to do with herding (dont want sheep at my house!). If I don't give the dog its herding outlet even though im giving it TONS of exercise will it start herding me around!?

    thx in advance.
     
  2. bubbatd

    bubbatd Moderator

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm !!! There have been many posts here of the time BCs require.Are you playing games with us ?
     
  3. Gustav

    Gustav Don't encourage me..

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    Sure you can just do agility!! Border colley's can be a real handfull!! So it will need loads of exercise!

    Why don't you go to a local rescue centre, there are often border colleys there, as people don't realise how much exercise they need!!!
     
  4. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Depending on how strong the herding desire is in the individual dog, you may or may not find yourself being herded. Sometimes you can satisfy your dog's need to herd something by throwing a half dozen or so large balls out in the (fenced) yard and teaching your dog to put the balls in a corral of some type.

    A Border Collie rescue is a great place to find the right dog; they can tell you what kind of energy level and herding behaviours the individual dogs have, giving you a chance to find one that won't overwhelm you - and they can do that, lol!
     
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    It depends on how much herding instinct the dog has. My girl doesn't herd humans (at least not much), she herds other animals. Border Collies need a lot of exercise. I bring my girl on a long walk every day, she hunts every day, and she gets daily play time.
     
  6. Fandogg

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    im not playing with u who ever asked that


    believe me the border collie will get TONS of exercise TONS...guaranteed. Another question is normal dog shows (which i know plenty of ppl on here are opposed to)...can BC's from strong herding lines be successful in the show ring? I heard that real BC breeders shy away from the show ring because that just isnt their intended purpose and it doesnt make sense.
     
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    Fandogg, show lines seem to end up getting bred "down" from the working lines to make them more tractable and easy to handle in the ring. It is possible to get a dog that shows very well in conformation shows and is successful in agility events, and even herding, but there's a lot of expertise AND luck involved in getting a pup like that.

    My Filas are, of course (thankfully), not recognized by the AKC, but I have one from show lines (Shiva) and one from working lines (Kharma) and the difference is tremendous.
     
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    It was a dark day when the AKC got hold of Border Collies...
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    I dread seeing what's going to happen to the Neos. They got entirely too much hype this year. Everyone and their brother wants a Neo now, and they are definitely NOT dogs for most people! That idiot Katie Couric doing her junior high school "oooh, what a cute doggie!" bit on national TV gave me the chills. You DON'T approach a dog like a Neo that way! How many people saw that and think it's okay to do the same thing?

    Those poor Border Collies . . . they're too attractive for their own good. I'm glad you're looking at one with the intention of giving it plenty to do, Fandogg. There's a lot of dog in that small package!
     
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    Babyblue5290 Happy Meal. Yum.

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    Sorry to butt in, but I have seen NEO on a few posts and was wondering what breed of dog Neo is short for?
     
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    I agree with you completely. When people look at one of these dogs, they don't see the intelligence, the energy (that never ever goes down). All they see is a cute, fluffy dog. People tell me all the time, "Oh, she's so cute and sweet!" and don't realize that we spend lots of time exercising and training her.

    I love Neopolitan Mastiffs....I would love to own one some day, but the drool might be a little too much ;).
     
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    Oh how I agree with a dog becoming popular and then bad breeding comes next. I love see the Anatolians in the shows, but do know if they every won, it might ruin the breed. I love those Neos too, especially since Kona is 1/2 Neo.
     
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    ewww...neo's are ugly.

    sry
     
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    Because of their extremely high intelligence, Border Collies can be challenge. They challenge their owners. They can and will outsmart their owners.
     
  16. Renee750il

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    lol! They're kind of an acquired taste. I never had a great appreciation of big jowly dogs before we got Buffy. For me, the old fashioned German Shepherd - before the sloping hocks - will always be my favorite "look" but I still love so many of the other looks as well: the elegant Saluki; rough and rangy Wolfhounds; serious and saggy Bloodhounds; compact, athletic Pits; stocky, stubby JRTS; fringed, elegant Papillons, sleek, aerodymanic coursing hounds, and of course, I've got a massive appreciation for those behemoth molosser breeds.

    The thing about dogs, at least in the older breeds, is that form follows function.
     
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    Well said, Renee! :D
     
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    RD Are you dead yet?

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    Hi Fandogg. I'm late replying here i can see but I hope you still check in on the boards. :)

    There is a lot more to owning a Border Collie than exercising it. It irks me when I hear people saying "I want a BC and I'll exercise it a lot". Some Borders, my own included, will drop dead before they will admit to being worn out physically. No matter how much exercise they get, they will still be alert and active. They need mental stimulation as well in order to be stable, relaxed dogs.

    Borders herd. Period. If you don't want a dog that herds, don't get a Border Collie.
    My dog herds people on occasion, but he doesn't herd me. I am his handler, he looks to me for direction. I'm not something that needs controlling.
    One of the things I love about the Border Collie's herding style is that, unlike Cattle Dogs who bite and bark, Border Collies crouch and stare. So, if you don't mind being stared at an awful lot if you're doing anything unusual, it's not very annoying to have your BC stalk you.
    If you're not very familiar with the breed's characteristics I would suggest you study up before even considering talking to breeders or rescues.

    Regarding show breeders vs. working breeders, my dog comes from a breeder who shows her dogs in conformation and works them in herding as well. I agree that the breeders who raise dogs exclusively for show are contributing to the downfall and eventual "split" (like with GSDs) of the breed. If you want to buy a BC pup, go to a reputable working breeder. Don't bother with show breeders if they don't work their dogs, because stock work ability is what makes the breed. If you want a dog with the temperament of an Australian Shepherd or Golden Retriever, get one, but don't get one of those breeds in a conformationally perfect BC suit. ;)

    Oh, and I guess to answer your question more directly, I've never known a BC to herd its handler all over the place. You can't take away their urge to herd but if you refuse to do herding you CAN focus their drive on doing "jobs" such as agility. :)
     
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    i dont have a real thing for border collies, i think there almost too smart, and their herding instincts can take ova, same with cattle dogs, but i do have a CDX and he is lovely, but still, cant let him off the leash near other animals.

    Anyway, i wanna do agility, im looking at getting a German Shorthaird Pointer (not the best for it) and later, a kelpie, love them.
    I no they need lots of excercise but they'll get it.
     
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    Tippy doesn't really herd humans (no nipping at heels). She does, however, use the stare quite often. She even tries to herd the rabbits :).

    Ditto. No matter how much exercise she gets, Tippy is still very active. I could've just taken her on a five mile walk, and she can be panting her head off, but she's ready for more.
     

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