Central Asian Shepherds (come on Centeral Molloser!)

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  1. neapolitanpitbull

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    I saw a Central Asian Shepherd somewhere and came to wondering about them. Aren't they very rare?? What are they like? Are their ears naturally like that against their head (if you know what I mean)?
     
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    Also called Ovtcharka, natural evolved as opposed to bred for a purpose, their appearance is not as dictated by 'standard' as common breeds. Lage, double coated, does well in extreme weather. Protective, family- oriented. Sometimes called a cat in a dog's clothing.

    As on owner you need to be strong. assertive, fair and affectionate. Ears and tails are normally cropped.

    This is from notes but you might want to look at these for more info:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia_Shepherd_Dog
    http://www.westworld.com/~ben-levy/
     
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    We are fortunate enough to have a wonderful CAS enthusiast and breeder as a member of Chaz. I PM'd her to bring this thread to her attention, so keep checking back. I, myself, have become increasingly interested in this breed.
     
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    They are rare in United States, not so much in Eastern Europe and Middle East.


    Their ears are cropped right after birth, btw. At least in majority of dogs, a stupid trend in UK has started to ban cropping... which is well, stupid.


    Special dogs, for owners with special needs. Just like their brothers Caucasian Ovcharkas.


    Not a dog for a fainth of heart.
     
  5. planet molosser

    planet molosser CASSA

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    Central Asian Shepherds have a full amputation of the Ear at 3 days same time as the tail is docked at the 3rd diget.

    Thou considered rare in the sense of not being AKC .
    However they are very big thru out Russia, Central Asia and most of Europe numbering the thousands..


    So the gene pool is huge and considered more a landrace vs the kissing cousins Caucasian Ovcharka who have been selected more to resemble one self producing breed.

    They are specialists in the terms of being territory guardians that will guard livestock, humans any simply anything in their area.

    Some lines are used for sentry guardians, some livestock, some show, some illegal things and combination there of.

    Pls visit our US UKC National Provisional Breed Club httP://www.cassa.us
    Pls read carefully the 10 reasons not to own one..
    I hesitate to post pics because they are adorable but a large dog needing special considerations ( fencing socialization , alpha owner etc)

    And thank you Summit I have spent 10 yrs with them and hope never to be without one till I go to heaven to me they are perfect.
    A dog that can handle the extreme weather of Siberia to the deserts of the Kara kum, they are naturally protective , not owner dominant, and if from good lines very pack oriented so you can have Cats - Sheep- Horses and a pack of working dogs..



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    I just got back form working at the shelter will check back tomorrow.
    For the xmas season here is last years shot
     
  6. planet molosser

    planet molosser CASSA

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    Great post :)


    This link is for the Caucasian Ovcharka different breed than the Central Asian but if you scroll down click Middle Asian Ovcharka that was the breeds name until the late 90's the Russians gave them when they found them during the rule of the Former USSR over Central Asia.

    The litter there has my dog Coz Dad Akbar .

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    Actually that is wrong. Russian Empire conqured Caucasus regions and its surroundings during 18-19th century, not during Soviet time. Since that time both CO's and CAO's were used in Russia. Though, only during Soviet times were the CO's factorized, and COA's to a lesser degree's. Also, Soviet Union was compromised of dozens of different nationalities living together, not just Russians.

    CAO's are somewhat more laid back and calm compared to CO. Easier to calm down, harder to get started up.

    Also, you're wrong on the defination. In Russian language the dogs name is "Sredne Azeatskaya Ovcharka" which can be translated to either Middle Asian Ovcharka or Central Asian Ovcharka, both have the same exact meaning.
     
  8. planet molosser

    planet molosser CASSA

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    Recent DNA study that shows the CO - CAS- Kangal & Volkodavs being separate breeds ON TOPIC Central Asian Shepherd dogs.
    Note no Ovcharka in use for these shepherd dogs which is why I mention it. .

    http://www.planetmolosser.com/gallery/data/500/nedium/dna1of.jpg

    Please click next or home for 4 pages of DNA study plus reference material.

    The former USSR Standard had the name Middle Asian Ovcharka in use _before the process of accepting the breed by FCI in 1989 ( widely translated 1993) in which it was changed to Central Asian.
    Later when the sweep happened from MAO to CAO Late 90's I too asked why the change . ( Also RKF was formed and accepted by FCI much after the breed was put it thus revisions were made when this happened)

    SO I asked Pres of the RKF club of CAO . Responce was a indication the name " midde asian" was more correct.
    Since the former republics of the USSR were CENTRALLY located NOT middlely located. So I talk of the "USE OF" and "Change of" as it refers to that link not to exact translations since that is impossible .

    The use of "Ovcharka" is being dropped from use even by Russian experts
    since they are not a Russian breed..
    Natives of Central Asia NEVER use Ovcharka to describe this landrace of breeds ..
    Such as Turkmenia sheep dog . Turkmen Wolf hound , watchdog, Asiatic mastiff ( wynn) were in use long before the USSR. These names are mentioned BEFORE the completed forced occupation of the 20's. Jardine 1860

    Since this breed is entangled into centuries of WAR, forced occupation , some still in turmoil, religon issues end result hot debate of who came first. and I really dont think the poster wants a run down on the history of a landrace of breeds that dates back thousands of years

    Jeannine De Palma
    President CASSA

    PS Trying to keep this topic ON topic :)
    I do not want to dIve into a different breed known a Caucasian Ovcharka and the history there . Or even who came first in the Soviet Union or history of that breed.

    Please start a topic on your breed Caucasian Ovcharka within the dog breeds section .
    So NO more confusion or compariing of these 2 different breeds is made. Which always turned into a issue sometimes requiring interference.
     
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    I was just pointing out that you are mistaken on the naming and history :)


    Anyways, great breed.


    Also, you seem to have an attitude problem with USSR... please keep it out of your posts if at all possible, people who actually lived in that country might find your opinions wrong and offensive.

    Thanks.
     
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    USA AKC "Central Asian Shepherd dog"
    USA UKC "Central Asian Shepherd dog"
    Russian Study of "Asian Shepherd dogs
    Central Asia hense the ORIGINS the HOMELANDsNEVER use Ovcharka .
    They use the many names the tribes/cultures use in that area. see below.
    THIS TOPIC CENTRAL ASIAN SHEPHERD .

    Ovcharka = Mongrel in major cities of Central Asia . SInce the GSD used for local patrol later mixed with the native dogs after the pull of the Former USSR creating what they call a "Ovcharka".

    It is POLITICALLY correct in Russia yet most new publications DROP the Ovcharka in leu of the correct term sounds like Chef Erds dog when native speak.

    Here on the countries that rightfully lay claim to this breed.
    Turkmenistan ~ Tajikistan ~ Uzbekistan ~ Kazakhstan ~ Afghanistan
    Iran, Mongolia .
    Pic is the range of types in this landrace of breeds known as shepherds dogs of Asia.

    Simply what you consider "Mistaken" I point to reference material that begs to differ.

    What is Ovcharka? misnomer vs fact this is why it is not so simple as too MISTAKEN when it comes to translations of these terms.
    http://www.esquirecaucasians.com/articles/koname.html

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    Again topic was Central Asian Shepherd dogs NOT Ovcharka, NOT Caucasian which you have and NOT all histories that spans thousands of years and thousands of miles thru many countries.
     
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    Do you know what "Ovcharka" means in Russian?

    Its translates to english as "Shepherd".

    "Nemeckaya Ovcharka" = German Shepherd
    "Kavkazskaya Ovcharka" = Caucasian Shepherd
    etc, etc.
    "Ovcharka" is not a name for GSD, it is a general term describing a dog who works with sheep.

    It has nothing to do with GSD's mixing...

    It seems you know better then me, what they call these dogs in Russian now, so please enlighten me... *sarcasm*

    I use Ovcharka because I transliterate the breeds name into english, if you translate it, then you would use Shepherd. Simple as that.

    Im not disputing there are different subtypes of dogs. Just like there are subtypes of GSD's... thats not the point. Point is, you're misguided on the naming of the breed.
     
  12. planet molosser

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    For gods sake see the link posted regarding OVCHARKA.

    I am the PRESIDENT of the USA National Provisional CLUB for the breed.
    So I am done talking to a pet owner for a different breed who insists on HIJACKING this thread entitled Central Asian Shepherd dog so they can talk about their breed Caucasian Ovcharka.

    My guidances come from experts and REAL reference material.
    http://centralasianshepherd.homestead.com/zoran.html

    Regards to the GSD you are wrong and hijacking yet again.
    The GSD was a man made breed created by a MAN _ the captain.
    The CASD are natural made breeds hence many breeds under many native name and one set open standard. Created by NO MAN but a time and place.

    Any breed can have variance and they normally in the last 100 yrs are then separated by this variance. But they ALL stem from the same BREED .

    NO comparsion to the landrace ON TOPIC BREED.
     
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    1. Get off your high horse, as you have no idea about my credentials and my experiences with these dogs.
    2. I am talking about CAO's naming, not CO's naming.
    3. The link you posted, only proves my point. For once Stacey got something right.
    4. Seriously, keep your temper. You're not adding credibility to your argument by trying to belittle someone in the debate.
     
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    planet molosser CASSA

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    To the original poster.

    I am sorry that this thread was hijacked again.

    This breed is so entangled in politics since they were STOLEN from the many countries of origin during the cold war.

    Many wish to live in propaganda vs using any FACTS or reference material .

    You simply are expected to SWALLOW what ever someone says about this breed if they have a alliance to the former USSR.
    Or if they have a personal stake in it.
    Example living off breeding dogs, or even EGO having to be "Right" it is a war of words vs discussing the breeds.

    Fact Im American, Im Woman, I am a vocal woman at that, Im Irish - English - Scottish - Polish and Italian and Married Italian.

    I am simply do NOT have the RIGHT based on the what I am vs what I am not to own this breed unless i repeat Propaganda and go with the FLOW or the Popular "OPINION".

    I deal in facts and science if I want to deal in BS I would become a politician.

    So with that pls visit our galleries
    CAS from around the World.
    http://www.planetmolosser.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/543
    http://www.casdog.com/photopost/index.php
    CAS from us Largest Gallery in the world for one breeder
    And CAS website largest in the world with reference material in English with
    http://www.centralasianshepherd.homestead.com

    You will find links to or names of translation for verifiable resources.

    Jeannine De Palma
    CAS Owner 10 Yrs - Judge- Handler- Trainer-President-Rescue-Advocate-
     
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    UKC Champion Baba Hatim Terez CGC TDI TT Excellent RKF Zhitkova
    Working farm dog...Grand Champion Pointed.

    I cant post pics that come up of my collection of CAS from planet molosser for some reason so I will post from my website.
     
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    This is our 9th Tv appearance on Tv with the breed...
     
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    This is CAS breeder All Breed BIS judge Russia RKF 2006 Zhitkova
    FoxFire Terror ( I did not name him)
     
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    Funny thread, im not gonna respond further to our "CAS" expert here, for fear of being flamed even more.

    In the end, do your own research on independant site from both Russia and USA.
     
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    CAS FF Dante GOld medal Obedience Owner Steve Dakhe.
    Who does most of our translations for our club.
     
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    Here is the native sheep we have karakuls rare in the USA.
    They match the dogs varied colors.

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