Or does it just vary too much between breeds and lines? I think Fred might top out above standard. He's 6 months this week, and only has 2" to go before he's too big. Well for standard, I don't care how big he is... I never bought him to show anyway! Unless he does well at the show... Then I might be a bit gutted. So.... Do crap at the show and keep growing Fred, or do really well and STOP it. Seeing his breeder next weekend and some of his litter mates, so sure she will be able to tell, but I am curious.