Calling APBT types pibbles

What do you think of 'pibbles'

  • I think its great!

    Votes: 8 10.7%
  • Meh don't care

    Votes: 31 41.3%
  • I think its silly to try to call them something new

    Votes: 23 30.7%
  • chocolate covered raisins.

    Votes: 13 17.3%

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lizzybeth727

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AdrianneIsabel said it. That's what I meant when I used the term "Bulldog". Should have clarified, sorry.
This is what I meant by "bulldog": American Kennel Club - Bulldog

Honestly, if people on Chaz - educated, "dog people" - can't even agree on names of breeds, how can you possibly get upset if the public can't figure out what a "pit bull" is?
 

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I usually refer to the specific breeds as Old English Bulldog, French Bulldogs, etc. (or abbreviations, of course). I just know that those who own APBTs and and other Bulldog type breeds will use that term to refer to the type. Probably have just spent too much time on Pit Bull forums.

In this case, I don't really think there is anything to disagree on. I may be wrong, but I have never heard anyone say that the term "Bulldog" in reference to the actual type is incorrect terminology.
 

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I don't use Pittie at all; since I first heard that term from some of the worst trash to ever own this breed.

I prefer bulldog when talking to people who own true APBT, 'cause they know I'm not talking about the other breed. I use pibble when talking about a friend's pretty girlie and bull-type when I'm using it as a vague descriptor for a dog that may or may not genetically carry APBT in its background; but looks it.
 

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I call english bulldogs Bulldogs as well sometimes but I know my conversation context and clarify when need be.

Now, today, the English bulldog is no longer an english bulldog but actually a bulldog by AKC. I however have trouble remembering to drop the english part of the name. Same goes for English Mastiff.

Knowing your audience will always change your terminology I think.
 

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I call english bulldogs Bulldogs as well sometimes but I know my conversation context and clarify when need be.

Now, today, the English bulldog is no longer an english bulldog but actually a bulldog by AKC. I however have trouble remembering to drop the english part of the name. Same goes for English Mastiff.

Knowing your audience will always change your terminology I think.
I really didn't know they dropped the English from the name.
 

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Me neither!!

Looks like I really will have to be careful about context and making myself clear. That is interesting.
 

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I think it is important go further educate the public about the "pit bulls", and to further make it clear that "pit bull" is not a breed.

I would never talk about my dog as a "pibble" to other people, I do it when I'm at home, when I'm playing with her or when I'm snuggling on the couch with her. Yes, she gets to snooze on the couch and she gets to play with squeaky tennis balls, and now when it is cold outside, she gets to wear her pink striped fleece hoodie. When people ask me what dog she is, I tell them she's a pit bull mix. Because they will go on remembering that that friendly dog they met was a pit bull. I guess her being from a shelter and an unknown background makes her a ghetto dog, too. *shrug*

Now that does not mean that I am unaware of what my dog is capable. I will not put her in inappropriate situations. And I always use the chance to educate people about the difference between DA and HA.
 

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Papers do not the APBT make -- at least not down here where I live. :) It's not uncommon for the old timers to keep their own records and refuse to register papers to keep their dogs out of the general limelight.
my dogs don't have records. they don't have known lineages behind them. they're peoples' throw-away dogs, trash dogs off the street picked up by AC.

so what is the difference between them and "ghetto dogs"? they could just as easily be mixes as not, after all. there's no way to look at them and know.

size? but even colby and the likes had oversized dogs in his yard. behavior? but that's an owner issue, not a dog issue.

when i meet people on the street and i tell them my dogs are pit bulls, what i really want them to understand, in my heart of hearts, is that the difference between my dogs and the dogs on the nightly news has nothing to do with the dogs. it has everything to do with the owner.

and i'm not going to achieve that by adding a word to their name before and aft and pretending they have more right to live than those other dogs.
 

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my dogs don't have records. they don't have known lineages behind them. they're peoples' throw-away dogs, trash dogs off the street picked up by AC.

so what is the difference between them and "ghetto dogs"? they could just as easily be mixes as not, after all. there's no way to look at them and know.

size? but even colby and the likes had oversized dogs in his yard. behavior? but that's an owner issue, not a dog issue.

when i meet people on the street and i tell them my dogs are pit bulls, what i really want them to understand, in my heart of hearts, is that the difference between my dogs and the dogs on the nightly news has nothing to do with the dogs. it has everything to do with the owner.

and i'm not going to achieve that by adding a word to their name before and aft and pretending they have more right to live than those other dogs.
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This is why I often wonder why I should call him a Pit Bull when it comes to the public. The Staf should just be a few separate bloodlines of APBT with another set of papers. Instead, many have been watered down, and as a result, the APBT folk turn their nose up at anything with AKC papers, despite the pedigree and accomplishments of the dogs. But, they are willing to claim my dog for PR. If he's not a Pit Bull, I should just stop calling him one. In favor of outright bands, other AmStaf owners and I could plea bargain for laws similar to ones in Australia and parts of Europe that allow the AmStaf but not the APBT. I mean, since our dogs are so different and all...

Had the name not been changed at the time of AKC recognition, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
? I'm not getting this post at all?...maybe I'm miss reading..but it reeks of spite :eek:

at home I call my dogs all kinds of silly names ....out in public I call them by "proper" names....American Pit Bull Terrier, Boston Terrier, Pug
 
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my dogs don't have records. they don't have known lineages behind them. they're peoples' throw-away dogs, trash dogs off the street picked up by AC.

so what is the difference between them and "ghetto dogs"? they could just as easily be mixes as not, after all. there's no way to look at them and know.

size? but even colby and the likes had oversized dogs in his yard. behavior? but that's an owner issue, not a dog issue.

when i meet people on the street and i tell them my dogs are pit bulls, what i really want them to understand, in my heart of hearts, is that the difference between my dogs and the dogs on the nightly news has nothing to do with the dogs. it has everything to do with the owner.

and i'm not going to achieve that by adding a word to their name before and aft and pretending they have more right to live than those other dogs.
It's NOT pretending they have "more right to live" than the other dogs. What it IS all about is trying to negate at least some of the media trash that's being thrown around, lumping any athletic dog with a big head into the "killer pitbull" category and using that to foment fear and hate in the public eye.

Ghetto dogs are from people who are breeding and conditioning for a temperament that is the antithesis of our dogs, whether our dogs have papers or not. They -- the people behind the dogs -- share a large part of the blame for what so many Bully breed owners are having to work to overcome.

Personally, I don't care of you can trace your dog's ancestry back or not, if it looks like an APBT/Amstaff/AmBully (you get the idea), acts like one, it IS one and it can only help to teach others that yes, there IS a difference and there are specific breed characteristics, just like there are for every breed, and one of those characteristics is being strongly AVERSE to biting human beings, that our dogs are not badasses. They are affectionate, intelligent, athletic, work-brickle dogs that have been -- and still are -- devoted companions and helpers, tolerant and loving nanny dogs and heroes.
 

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Ghetto dogs are from people who are breeding and conditioning for a temperament that is the antithesis of our dogs, whether our dogs have papers or not. They -- the people behind the dogs -- share a large part of the blame for what so many Bully breed owners are having to work to overcome.
By claiming that their dogs aren't the same breed as your dog and that their breed is ill tempered while yours isn't is hogwash. Almost every breed has developed different types. Within any breed there can easily be irresponsible breeders who don't pay attention to temperament and irresponsible owners who allow aggressive dogs to be put in situations where they bite. While you try to separate your type of pit bull from their type of pit bull, you feed into the "blame the breed" sentiment - blame THEIR breed, not MY breed. Which also doesn't help all the other breeds on ban lists.

The largest part of the problem has nothing to do with "ghetto dogs". It has to do with inaccurate data, it has to do with media hype, it has to do with irresponsible owners.
 
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When you take several breeds, mix them to get a dog that is 50 lbs. too large, has a temperament that is completely opposite of the breed you try to identify yours with, it isn't the same breed. It's a mutt.

Yes, it IS the ownership and responsibility or lack thereof -- remember, I chose a breed whose standard includes ojeriza -- so it's not that there is no place for dog breeds that aren't averse to putting teeth to a human being, it's that that breed is NOT an APBT or a Staffordshire. It's something else entirely.

You wouldn't lump "Doodles" in with Poodles, would you? Or claim it was okay to classify a "puggle" as a Pug? Why is it okay for Pit Bulls to have to include these *designer* dogs? Why is it that we're so awful because we don't want our breeds confused with them anymore than Pug or Poodle or Beagle or Golden or Lab owners want theirs confused?

And yes, the pseudo data IS a huge part of the problem, and part of the pseudo data is allowing all of these different breeds and non-breeds to be lumped together under one catch-all name.
 

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If they're a mixed breed, then they're a mixed breed, yes. But that doesn't make your dog not be a pit bull, it makes their dog not be a (pure) pit bull. :p

Regardless though of what breed it is or mix of breeds, claiming that their breed or mix is aggressive while yours isn't is a very dangerous and counterproductive stand to take.
 

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Ghetto dogs are from people who are breeding and conditioning for a temperament that is the antithesis of our dogs, whether our dogs have papers or not. They -- the people behind the dogs -- share a large part of the blame for what so many Bully breed owners are having to work to overcome.
personally i think most of the dogs who get into trouble aren't being bred for anything beyond maybe money and i don't believe they're being conditioned for anything, and that's most of the problem. they're hung out on a chain or in a yard in a kennel and never taught how to behave.

oh sure there are a few people here and there intentionally trying to create mean dogs, but i don't think that's the majority of the population.

there are always going to be some "off" dogs in any population of dogs. when you look at the huge number of poorly bred pit bulls and pit bull mixes in this country, the lack of deaths due to dog attacks is actually fairly noteworthy. despite the explosion in population, the number of fatalities nationwide really hasn't risen significantly.

these are the things that the public should hear in response to media histrionics. not "my dog isn't a 'pit bull' like those dogs".

You wouldn't lump "Doodles" in with Poodles, would you? Or claim it was okay to classify a "puggle" as a Pug? Why is it okay for Pit Bulls to have to include these *designer* dogs? Why is it that we're so awful because we don't want our breeds confused with them anymore than Pug or Poodle or Beagle or Golden or Lab owners want theirs confused?
as i've said before in this thread, the media calling these obviously mixed breed dogs pit bulls does not make them so. the media calling a big-headed, aggressive labrador a pit bull does not make him so. pit bulls don't have to include those dogs because they are not pit bulls.
 
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I agree that those things need to be heard. BUT, I feel strongly that the public needs to be educated in the FACT that not everything they are calling a "pitbull" is, in fact a Pit Bull. Because they aren't.

These, for example, are NOT Pit Bulls in the sense that "Pit Bull" refers to an APBT or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. They are something entirely different. Xtreme Bully Pitbulls | XXL Pitbull Kennels | Pitbull Puppies For Sale Scary when you realize that that was the first site that came up when I entered "Pit Bull Breeders" into Google.
 

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By claiming that their dogs aren't the same breed as your dog and that their breed is ill tempered while yours isn't is hogwash. Almost every breed has developed different types. Within any breed there can easily be irresponsible breeders who don't pay attention to temperament and irresponsible owners who allow aggressive dogs to be put in situations where they bite. While you try to separate your type of pit bull from their type of pit bull, you feed into the "blame the breed" sentiment - blame THEIR breed, not MY breed. Which also doesn't help all the other breeds on ban lists.

The largest part of the problem has nothing to do with "ghetto dogs". It has to do with inaccurate data, it has to do with media hype, it has to do with irresponsible owners.
So if on the news, it is shown that an 85 lb blue "pit bull" with floppy flews and a dewlap to write home about and some ginormous splayed paws attacked someone, I'm supposed to say, "Yup! That dog is just like my Coco. Identical almost.". Nevermind that Coco is 38 lbs when rolypoly fat, has no loose skin, and has nice little feet with toes in proper position. Why on earth do I need to make such a claim?

It is widely known that many known bloodlines are mixes of APBT, AST, (Gaff and York are AST bloodlines that are still touted as UKC APBTs despite their having a very distinct look and being bred for looks and no function for the last 70+ years) and a variety of other breeds including but not limited to the Doge de Bordeaux (Whopper), English Mastiff, Neo Mastiff (Razor's Edge, Gotti), English Bulldog (RE, Gottie)......I could go on.

I know it's hard for some to understand, and sadly I think it's because they don't care because it doesn't affect them in any way. Sure, it's easy to say you don't like BSL or it makes you sad, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect you and your Dachshunds or Poms or Chihuahuas or Greyhounds or whatever dog you own so you really just can't seem to find it to care too much.

I've done rescue for over 10 years. I loved my rescues as much, and some more, than I did my pedigreed APBTs. But I could never say that the dogs that I brought home were indeed "APBTs" or "ASTs" or "SBTs". It would be like saying that a 70 lb black dog with a decent muzzle, floppy triangular ears, and black fur is a Labrador Retriever although it's genetic history is unknown. Of course the dogs fit the general "pit bull" description and to those I knew/know, I referred to them as that. But to the general public, I explained that there was probably one or more of the "pit bull" breeds in there but without knowing the dogs complete genetic history, I couldn't say without a doubt that my dog is such. Thus the dog was labeled as a mixed breed. But that never stopped me from doing all I could (and still can) to make sure such dogs put their best paw forward and be an amazing representation of such breeds.

As for the "why bother to separate the pit bull breeds", well, we do so because they are separate breeds! Is the Welsh Corgi the exact same breed as the Cardigan Corgi? Why bother to call them something different? Why do we bother calling Labrador Retrievers and Golden Retrievers by separate names? They should just be "Retrievers". What's the difference?

The AST alone has been bred to an entirely different standard for over 70 years. How long does it take, in your opinion, before such becomes it's own breed? The American Bully, a new breed in formation, is a mix of AST and/or APBT and other breeds such as the Neo, Dogue de Bordeaux, English Bulldog (and God only knows what else). Why should we still be forced to say that those mixed breed dogs are one-in-the-same as our APBTs or ASTs or SBTs?

And don't get me wrong, I blame the owners. A dog owner can own the most downright human aggressive monster ever to walk the planet and not have the dog ever put it's teeth on a person or even be a menace for the dog's entire life span. But that is a responsible owner. Responsible owners are in very short supply these days it seems. And while we have the thugs that don't give a ****, we also have the ignorant, willfully ignorant, and the bleeding heart people who think that they can love a dog into something its not and put it in a position to fail and then boo-hoo when something happens.

And for the record, bad dogs do exist. You can put all the blame on the owner if you want, but I've seen more genetically unsound dogs that I would ever care too. And I'm sure they aren't going to be my last. These dogs are unstable. They are aggressive. They are fear aggressive. And no amount of love or teaching a dog to sit and stay is going to change it. Maybe when people go back to the ways of culling dogs, then society can go back to the days of not having unstable dogs running loose in society.

In the meantime, I'll continue to go after irresponsible owners whether or not they have good intentions (the ignorant owner of a poor wittle pibble-boo who thinks that some love and pets will make the doggy place nice at the dog park) or not (the street thug who has a small penis and needs a giant floppy dog to brag about instead).

But no, I will not say that my APBTs are the same as ASTs or SBTs or BTs or AmBullies just as I won't say they are the same as the EB or the Yorkie or the Jack Russel or the Lakeland.
 

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So if on the news, it is shown that an 85 lb blue "pit bull" with floppy flews and a dewlap to write home about and some ginormous splayed paws attacked someone, I'm supposed to say, "Yup! That dog is just like my Coco. Identical almost.". Nevermind that Coco is 38 lbs when rolypoly fat, has no loose skin, and has nice little feet with toes in proper position. Why on earth do I need to make such a claim?
Is that what people ask you? "Is that a pit bull just like that terrible mean human-biting dog I saw on the telly that ate like eight babies?"
Or do they say "is that a pit bull?"

And do you respond to that with "No it's not a pit bull the television is SO WRONG!!"

Because if I asked somebody "is that a pit bull?" and they started telling me about how the news portrays all these dogs as pit bulls and they aren't really pit bulls and and and, I would be thinking "Uhhh, that's not really what I asked, but oooookay you crazy person!"


I think elegy's point is that her dogs are fine examples of what a pit bull can be therefore there's no reason to insist it's NOT one, because all that ends up with is people thinking "pit bull" must be some terrible baby-eating breed just like the news told them. And I guess that's what's going on in this thread. Creating a new breed called "pit bull" or "ghetto dog." And it's fantastic for fighting and being unstable and if you want it to eat children.

Miakoda said:
Is the Welsh Corgi the exact same breed as the Cardigan Corgi?
Yes.
The Pembroke Corgi, however, that's different.
 

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So if on the news, it is shown that an 85 lb blue "pit bull" with floppy flews and a dewlap to write home about and some ginormous splayed paws attacked someone, I'm supposed to say, "Yup! That dog is just like my Coco. Identical almost.". Nevermind that Coco is 38 lbs when rolypoly fat, has no loose skin, and has nice little feet with toes in proper position. Why on earth do I need to make such a claim?

It is widely known that many known bloodlines are mixes of APBT, AST, (Gaff and York are AST bloodlines that are still touted as UKC APBTs despite their having a very distinct look and being bred for looks and no function for the last 70+ years) and a variety of other breeds including but not limited to the Doge de Bordeaux (Whopper), English Mastiff, Neo Mastiff (Razor's Edge, Gotti), English Bulldog (RE, Gottie)......I could go on.
As i said earlier, yes, if they're mixed, then they're mixed. If they're pure pit, but just with a different look, well, that happens in every breed. If they're rescues with no known ancestry, then they're better called mixed. I never said a pit mix should be called a pure bred pit.

I know it's hard for some to understand, and sadly I think it's because they don't care because it doesn't affect them in any way. Sure, it's easy to say you don't like BSL or it makes you sad, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect you and your Dachshunds or Poms or Chihuahuas or Greyhounds or whatever dog you own so you really just can't seem to find it to care too much.
I think this is very offensive and uncalled for.:mad:

I do care, I work hard to fight against BSL, and just because I don't own a pit bull doesn't at all mean I'm not affected by BSL. BSL isn't limited to one breed.
 

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