Calling all GSD people!

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  1. Picklepaige

    Picklepaige Active Member

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    I'm starting to seriously look at GSD breeders. I *hope* to be ready to get a puppy by the end of this year. The question I have, is what "type" of dog is the one shown above? Is it possible to tell by the picture?

    Would you recommend any breeders who are breeding for dogs of that type? That is, by far, my favorite look.

    Personality wise, I've researched all of the different lines, and DDR is my favorite, but I'd be happy with anything but a Czech dog. Those seem a bit *too* intense for me.

    So, any breeder recommendations? They don't have to look like the dog above, I was just posting an example of what I like, looks wise :)
     
  2. Upendi&Mina

    Upendi&Mina Mainstreme Elitist

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    I asked a friend who is in gsds and she said that particular dog looks like a Euro show line dog. :) Beyond that I'm no help.
     
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    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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  4. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    I'm not sure where you are, and I've been out of looking for breeders for so long it's not even funny, but he looks Euro show lines to me too. :p
     
  5. Aleron

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    Do you have any other, non-action shots of him? It is very hard to tell from these pictures but I wouldn't say he looks typical of the current German showlines. He may be a German/American cross.

    If I got another GSD, it would be from: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vom-Haus-Weinbrand-GSDs/296969018132

    I think there is a breeding planned out of Drama sometime this year. Valerie breeds very occasionally but every litter she's had has produced puppies who went on to do all sorts of things - SchH, Police, SAR, Service Dog, Performance and of course, companions. They really are IMO just what GSDs should be.
     
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    Dakotah Kotah BEAR

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    BEAUTIFUL dogs!
    *drool*

    If I wanted a GSD, I would definitely be interested in them, Aleron.
     
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    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Stafinois is has educated herself pretty well on GSDs. I will direct her here, she may be able to help.

    I really, really want a GSD clone of this dogs son whom we train with.

    http://www.diehlspolicek9training.com/erri.asp

    I don't know a ton about the breed but this dog is pretty dang amazing.
     
  9. AgilityPup

    AgilityPup Agility freak!

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    But come on, Czech lines are fuuuuun! :D

    I was going to guess Euro Show lines, but honestly, I don't really know. I still have so much more research I need to do about lines.
     
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    Do you train with Falon? Curious how you got these photos, anyway, if you don't know Falon I'd be happy to message her and ask about that dog's exact pedigree. Definitely thinking partially West German show lines, there are several at the club she trains at/does photography for. Agree with Aleron however that this dog does not look like typical high lines, but it is very hard to tell from those photos alone.

    Would like to add that yes, Czech lines are quite "intense" but I know some people who would take a Czech dog for a pet over WGR or DDR any day. I was at one point, going between specific Czech lines and older working lines and honestly would probably have found the former easier to handle than the latter. I have known of just as many West German working line dogs known for being sharp, civil, actively aggressive, etc. as I have Czech dogs... even just read from someone with a young male going to the od Policie and z PS dogs that he thought his dog more handler soft than he'd like. Of course, these anecdotal lists of exceptions are about as useful as the generalities themselves.

    Certainly not pushing you towards Czech lines, I'm actually with you in that I am not likely to be interested in an all Czech dog (although I am willing to entertain the idea). I am, however, more personally interested in Czech/DDR/WGR mixes, primarily Czech and the older, established DDR working lines. Just so happens that particular breedings/dogs that catch my eye are a combination of such lines, while most of the all Czech breedings are "missing" something I want to see. Nothing more than a personal preference, every dog is an individual and I certainly do not know enough about German Shepherds or specific lines for anything but speculation (which, as someone in the market for a puppy, I'm guilty of often).

    Would you be interested in a dog with a partially Czech pedigree? My favorite litter from the breeder Fran linked (Wildhaus Kennels) was by a Czech male, Andy Maly Vah out of a West German working female. Also would second Aleron's recommendation, I am a part of a message list or two where Valerie is an active member and she has always been helpful and shown a particular dedication to her dogs and the breed.
     
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  11. Equinox

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    Well, I feel like a first class idiot right now! These are two of my favorite German show line dogs -

    SG UKC CH Alta-Tollhaus Bono "Nikon" SCHH1 T1 FO PA CL1-R UNJ U-CA HIT TT CGC
    owned by Lies Rosema

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    http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=699492

    by Markus vom Status Quo out of Quellie vom Kirschental. Civil dog, very serious and "real" in his protection. Would have easily recognized a picture of Nikon had it been a standing shot.


    Other dog is

    VP Alta-Tollhaus Schumi SCHH1
    owned by Becky Perry

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    http://de.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=595280

    by Jimmy von Arminius 2000 out of Faye vom Kirschental. She always stood out to me through photos because of her hold and bark, very involved and strong.

    Both dogs are out of Kirschental dams and are sired by fairly popular high line studs. They are all German show line.
     
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    You can most likely find what you want in any 'line' of gsd's. The important thing is to know what you want, what you want to live with and what you don't want to live with.
    If you have a specific 'thing' in mind, go to someone who is doing that "thing" with their dogs.

    All my gsd's have been mostly DDR (east german working line)..it's what "I" like.

    Right now I am down to one gsd, who's dam is a slovakian import narcotics certified and ddr/czech sire who does SAR, and has a gazillion other titles along with receiving a PAT , which I believe is recognition for his versatility/titles by the GSDCA..

    She's a spitfire and at 3 years old, has just recently shown she has an "off" switch. While I am getting older and probably don't want "two" of her, she is alot of fun and a go anywhere, do anything type of dog.

    I admire alot of the breeders listed already, as well as the dogs.

    This is Masi's ped http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/551900.html

    First know what you want, second meet/connect with as many breeders as your able , even better ask to visit them, their dogs. Finding a good breeder is key and everything else will fall into place providing you 'know' what you want & don't want in a dog
     
  13. Red Chrome

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    I prefer the West German Working lines crossed with a nice Czech line. This cross seems to produce the more balanced working bred dogs that I have seen/met. I like the Von Den Wannaer Hohen dogs, my own dog goes back to Deika v.d. Wannaer Hohen and some other great dogs on top. On the bottom he goes back to some very nice Von Statdfeld dogs.

    He is me last GSD more than likely. I love the breed and love him to pieces but living with him has been a challenge. Granted he was a dog out of a litter that was bred mainly for serious true working(k9 etc.) jobs. He has very little in the way of balance. Its balls to the walls or nothing. There is no middle ground and that has been trying for me. He is a wonderful dog and can/does therapy visits but I have to keep his mind working at all times when we are out. He can be very dog reactive without proper slow introductions. He will also take advantage of someone if he feels that they are leary of him, just because he can if no one is paying attention, he does it by being in their face and having no respect for their personal space and then he will sometimes urinate on someone. He is a straight West German Working line with a bit of Czech thrown in..way back. He would be an excellent dog if I was to keep him as most Schutzhund competitors do in a kennel and he wasn't a house dog. Not trying to scare you, but if I knew what I know now, when I got him, I would have NEVER EVER EVER EVER went with this breeding or pedigree. I would have went with a little less drive and more balance.

    IF I get another GSD it will be from Schraderhaus K9, VonGrunheide, VomWusteberg or VomHausVianden. I like their dogs, have met them personally and feel they can give me what I want with more balance.

    Visit breeders, talk to people and decide what your main sport will be, then go from there. If you are looking at Agility, I highly reccomend Kleinenhain, I believe she does agility with her GSDs and they are doing well at it!!

    Don't get stuck on a color!! You can prefer certain looks and go to a breeder that meets your requirements but in the end, looks need to be last cause you can pass up some pretty spectacular dogs if you're caught up in a color!

    Here is Judge's pedigree...
    http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=528847
     
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    Masi is a kleinenhain dog:) Her nose never stops, she's a tracking fool, her mother Helga v Eurosportu is now at Schraderhaus (who has nice dogs as well:) There are ALOT of breeders I admire and would take a dog from in a second, as Red said above, don't get stuck on color tho it's not 'bad' to have a preference..

    This is Masi who's also a jolly ball addict.
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  15. Picklepaige

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    Oh wow, I've got a lot of reading to do!

    I'll post on here once I catch up and look at all the sites you guys have recommended.
     
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    I knew Masi was a Kleinenhain dog! I have a friend that has a bitch out of Helga, she is 10 months old now. Really super nice bitch, I love her. Jean does great placements!

    Just do a ton of research. I have met dogs from Wildhaus and thoroughly reccomend Chris! She is a great breeder and is another one that is excellent at placements.
     
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    Masi is gorgeous! I really like what Schraderhaus and Wildhaus have.

    I've really liked the Czech dogs I've met, but most had some WG in there too. A very nice little bitch has been coming out to training. I really like her. She's really intense in her work, but super social off the field.

    My mixes will even take advantage of people too, but not as rudely as Judge though! lol
     
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    Which club do you train with? I used to live in the PNW. I did mostly Ring but was a member of a Schutzhund club for a while.

    I've got a deposit down on a GSD pup. I don't claim to know a lot about the lines, but I did manage to figure out that I'm most attracted to West German Working and DDR lines. Equinox and RedChrome are the two I ask when I have questions about GSD lines!
     
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    There were two clubs, but I think only one is still really active. And then there is a group of three of us who train informally with a different guy who is a lot more positive with the dogs than the decoys who work with the Schutzhund club(s). I dunno, I visited the clubs a couple times and I like the guy I'm working with a lot better after what I saw at club. On sunday the club trained on one side of the printing company's grounds and we trained on the other, lol.

    I like the combo's being done of DDR/Czech/WG lines. I've been heavily researching GSD's (and Mals!) and meeting all the dogs I can since I adopted Lily 4 years ago. Someday!

    You must post many puppy pics!!!! :D
     
  20. Red Chrome

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    I can say that rhe litter out of my boy which was a West German Working /Czech cross is very balanced and excelling at their chosen venues.
     

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