but wait! only pit bulls attack!

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Yes Jenn...I was being sarcastic. :p Sorry, guess I should have added a smilie or something after that, huh?
 
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I guess that was a faux paux on my part. I thought it would be obvious with the explanations and such below it. My bad! :) I forget that it can be difficult to get the correct meaning behind a computer message...since there are no faces and voices involved it can be hard to tell. ;)
 
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elegy said:
pit bull mastiff crosses are NOT PIT BULLS. they are bandogges. they are mixes. they are MUTTS. they are NOT PIT BULLS even if they have hung papers saying that they are. you cannot compare the pit bull to a mastiff mix.

yes, there are people breeding pit bulls to be guard dogs. yes, there are people beating and starving and torturing their dogs to make them mean. yes, there are people deliberately breeding aggressive pit bulls. yes.

but the majority of pit bulls? not deliberately bred to be aggressive. not tortured. not meant to be guard dogs. the majority of pit bulls getting into trouble? they're just your average joe scatter-bred, byb pit bull, maybe with one of those mythic jeep or gator or ofrn bloodlines way back.

of the 92 pit bull related fatalities between between 1965 and 2001 a whopping 5 were the result of dogs gotten with the intent of them being guard dogs.

unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of pit bull breeders breed with no mind to temperament one way or the other. they breed for size, for color, for that hideous "low-rider" look that's so popular. but that doesn't mean that there are not thousands upon thousands of pit bulls in the shelters all across this country who are not perfectly reasonable representations of what this breed is.
I understand that the proper term for a mastiff/pit mix would be "bandogges", but razors edge, gotti line, watch dog, and grey line are four of the most popular blood lines out there and all of them are mixed with mastiff blood. How do you think they get the huge bone mass from? They get the blue color from mastiffs also. Go to pit bull kennel web sites, and notice the blood lines breeders use now days. They are passing pit/mastiff mixes off as pure pit bulls, why?? Because people like BIG pit bulls... how do you make pits bigger... add masiff blood.

A few examples of breeders passing off pit mixes as pure...

http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/

http://www.freewebs.com/beezee/
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http://www.realmckoybluekennels.com/home.htm

http://www.rodzblueznredz.com/

Take a look at this link below. Read about each kennel, and you will see that most of them clearly state that they breed for PROTECTION... the majority of pits were bred for protection which makes them somewhat HUMAN AGGRESSIVE.

http://www.pets4you.com/pitbull.html

It doesnt matter if people go out to buy a pit with the intent to get a guard dog, because the majority of pits now days are being bred for guard work regardless. A byb breeds mostly for looks, because they want to get a buck. By breeding only for looks you are breeding pits that might have human aggression issues, and the bybs take a human aggressive pit and think that it would make a great guard dog. I bet 80% of pit breeders are bybs.

How are you so sure that only 5 of those pits were used as guard dogs? The last thing an owner is gonna say is... "my pit that just killed that person was a guard dog".Because that makes the owner look bad. They're gonna say... "my pit was a family dog, so he must have been taunted and teased to attack someone". Stats are not always correct anyhow.

I have done quite a bit of research on pit bulls, and my opinions are based off the info I gathered.
 

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I love how these kennels say that "we don't breed for illegal purposes" or "we don't sell dogs for illegal purposes" and also how they have the saying "punish the deed not the breed". WHY is the haed size so important? 24 inch heads, 28 inch heads :confused: Some of these dogs definately have something else in them mastiff, douge de bordeaux, something. They just don't look like normal pitbulls. And it does say bred for GUARDING which a normal pit wasn't intended to do :rolleyes: . I love big meaty block heads, but these pits even scare me with the way they look :eek:
 

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Agreed Red ACD.

Those dogs especially the third link, do not look like pitbulls at all. I don't know how anyone could confuse those animals with a pittbull. On another thread I believe LabBreeder posted what a REAL APBT should look like and the thugged out ones, those pics on that link are WORSE than the thugged out ones. You can see it in the muzzle, APBT's don't have tight fitting lips but they definitely aren't supposed to hang like that.
 

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I don't know, guys, I just wish we could come up with a perfect solution :eek:
Wishful thinking, I guess.
But I wanted to add that I really agree with Fila
I believe that there are great pit bulls and other related breeds out there, but its not worth the risk to think that ALL of them are. My brother, too, wanted a pit bull. He wanted me to work with him, help him train, socialize, do everything right. At first I was all for it, you know? Be another ambassedor for the breed. But then I re-thought it. It's a lot of work, and its hard to read between the lines and find an awesome breeder, where there are so many 'bad' ones around. That sell their puppies for less, too. I love my brothers, but he is his own person. My advice can only go so far. So I told him no, No Way. The breed is so close to being banned here as well, he would already have to get special insurance and everything. And if the dog wandered off and ended up at the pound, he'd have a hard time getting it back. :( :(

What can we do to fix this? I know there isn't a quick fix, but I'm willing to work for forever on this whole topic, and I know others on here are too!;)
 

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Well the only good thing I can say is that from the transcripts the judge in the Supreme Court didn't think too much about BSL. But than, about a month ago, that pitbull killed his elderly owner. The judge has got to make a hard decision and I feel for them.

I can't see any other solution that doing something alone the lines of certifying the people. Everyone hear has agreed that it's the PEOPLE not the dog. So take the emphasis off the dog and put it on the owners or the owners to be. I'm sure if they charged a fee of a $50 to take a certification test or something at a local kennel club and had to get interviewed most of the irresponsible pitt people would shy away.
 

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LabBreeder said:
Education is the key (IMO). But how do you educate a nation?
It's harder to educate the two legged animals of the world (human kind) than train a 4 legged one! And unfortunately there are lots of two legged animals that own pitbulls who turn them into monsters.
 
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I think another big problem is the back yard breeders. Maybe there should also be a restriction on the people who breed pitties. I'm sure the good responsible breeders would be happy to get rid of the back yard breeders.
 

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Thanks for that article, Bob. I hadn't reached my bull sh** tolerance levels today, and now I have. That article was full of yummy myths and misconceptions, which are packed with BS (an essential nutrient).
 

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Errr... That must have been the most pointless, stupidest article I have ever read.
Weylyn, that dog in your avatar is stunning! What a gorgeous face! I assume he is yours?
Just to let you know Bob, Pit Bulls scored higher on the temperment test the GSD's, which I am assuming your dog is mixed with.

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Am I the only one who noticed that in most of those non pit bull attacks the people attacked said "It was scary but we're ok" Now you tell me if it would have been a pit or pit mix they would have said "I thought he was going to kill me!!" People are so stupid
 
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elegy, I've not read this entire thread but has anyone noticed that 90% of the links you posted now says...

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Do you not think if it was a (pit bull) it would not still be there?
 
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I am doing a search on this site for (pit bulls) and answering as I come across them, sorry I'm not here 24/7 ;)

Please accept my apologies(sp) ;)
 

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