but wait! only pit bulls attack!

[Buddy'sParents]

I'd still like to know why you are trying to bring down other breeds. If you don't like your breed having the possibility of being banned why in the hell would you want other people and their breeds to go through the same thing. Do you want every breed that's ever bitten someone to be banned? If so, there won't be many left to choose from when you're done.

<sigh>

You have missunderstood the point of this whole thread. For some reason, you just don't get it, I suggest stopping now before you blow a gasket....


Elegy- great post and thank you for pointing out that it is bad ownership, not bad breeds. Pit bulls get bad press because they are whats "hot" right now.

It's also "funny" that 99% dog fights and bites that do get press are pit bulls, when statistics will show that other dogs bite more (try googling before anyone comes after me with "how do you know that").

Roxy, good points, but calm down sweetie Don't let others ignorance get you so angry.

 

[JennSLK]

Roxy, good points, but calm down sweetie Don't let others ignorance get you so angry

Good advice BP

 

[Roxy's CD]

So you can edit to bold the quote but you can't respond.

Is that more information than you thought you would get?

You can't read half a post and respond, than expect not to get jumped. You came to a thread anti-BSL, said you were for it, and now seeing that your opinion was not agreed upon you attack me as a dog owner.

I'm big enough to admit that Roxy has issues. Her issues are NOT abnormal. Many confirmation dogs go through this sort of issue.

 

[Roxy's CD]

LOL a Jenn and BP.

I can't help it, when I come to a dog forum, knowing that my dog has issues, and admitting that it's partly my fault. Also, knowing how much time I dedicate to working on those problems. I don't expect to get told I'm a bad owner because, yes, my dog doesn't like to be touched.

 

[Serena]

If somehow we were able to re-create the moment and replaced the dogs with poodles...... would you put your money on it happening again? You wouldn't

Not only were the dogs kept in a crappy enviroment with a crappy owner but it sounds like they were genetically unsound.

Aggression has been displayed before. Now if the form of aggression talked about was human aggression red flags should have gone right up.

Pits with proper breed temperament are NOT human aggressive.

Combine crappy genetics, crappy enviroment, and a crappy owner and you will always have a time bomb waiting to go off...regardless of the breed.

Would I put money on the same thing happening again if Poodles were substituted in this case?

**** straight I would.

I put money on the same thing happening with any breed substituting if this scenario was recreated.

 

[Georgygirl]

I guess I expect the government to enforce the laws they already have. How many times have you heard in those attack stories that the dog had a history of being aggressive. Why wasn't anything done then? Why wait until its too late and a whole breed has to suffer for the acts of a few.

I really do think that if they're reporting dog bites they should report about ALL of them. Do you honestly think that people will sit by and pass legislation against every breed that's ever bitten? No, they'll realize that BSL is ridulous and that the govt has stepped over the line.

 

[JennSLK]

No, they'll realize that BSL is ridulous and that the govt has stepped over the line.

Unfortonetaly it will be too late for most breeds.

 

[Serena]

When I walk my "toy" dogs around the neighboor hood and see a bully or large breed dog coming our way.... do I move across the street? Of course I do..... do I do it because of the dog? Nope.... do I do it because of the person holding the leash? HELL YEAH! It's the owners fault... that's the bottom line.

What about owners of toy dogs that think its cute for their dogs to come running and snapping at mine?

What makes that acceptable?

Because a small dog in reality isn't going to cause as much damage as my GSD's or my mix that makes a toy breeds inappropriate behavior alright?

I don't think so.

Bad behavior is bad behavior. It is not acceptable. There is nothing cute about it and the size or the breed does not make a difference.

A poorly trained misbehaved dog is a nuisance period.

I can guarantee if my dogs behaved in the same manner I see little dogs allowed to act I'd be going to court.

 

[pup-man]

So you can edit to bold the quote but you can't respond.

Is that more information than you thought you would get?

You can't read half a post and respond, than expect not to get jumped. You came to a thread anti-BSL, said you were for it, and now seeing that your opinion was not agreed upon you attack me as a dog owner.

I'm big enough to admit that Roxy has issues. Her issues are NOT abnormal. Many confirmation dogs go through this sort of issue.

You need to relax. I can see you clicking the "refresh" button like some lunatic on drugs waiting to see if I have responded.

I'd highly advise you re-read my post regarding this subject. On every post I mentioned, I have agreed it's the owner who plays the majority role on why certain breeds attack. If you need help understand or reading the messages over, I'm sure you can have somebody do it for you. Have a cocktail or something while your at it.

 

[Georgygirl]

Sorry Jen, I don't think you quite got my point. If ALL dog bites are reported and not just pitbulls then people would realize that the one thing that all the bites have in common are irresponsible owners, not a particular breed. Labreeders point if I understand correctly is that if all dog bites were reported by the media then all those breeds would be banned. Personally I think if all the breeds that bit were on the ban list then there's no way in heck people would be behind it. Nobody wants "their breed" to be banned. Hopefully then people will go after the cause, the irresponsible owners and leave the different breeds alone. It seems only fair that if the media is allowed to report pitbull attacks that they should also have to report the attacks of other breeds. Either that or the media just shouldn't report attack at all.

 

[whatszmatter]

If somehow we were able to re-create the moment and replaced the dogs with poodles...... would you put your money on it happening again? You wouldn't.

If I could re-create the moment completely hell yeah i'd place money on something very bad happening, I don't know why you wouldn't. Would I place money on a death occuring every time, no... Pit bull or poodle, but i'd place money that some serious damage would be done by any breed.

Most fatalities are the result of some bully breed or mix and you can attribute that to many different reasons, but i'm not going to look towards BSL to save me. I don't need the gov't to keep me safe or limit my freedoms to give me any piece of mind. BSL's have been shown over and over again, NOT to work, fatalities still happen and pit bull bites are replaced by other breed bites.

I don't need my gov't telling me what type of car I can drive, or others, I don't need them to tell me where I can live, what I can do in my free time, or what type of food I want to eat. I don't need them to tell me what type of medical treatment I need to get for myself or any children I may have, or what types of dog breeds I can own or how many. But sadly more and more of our freedoms seem to dwindle every year because somehow people get a sense of security from being restricted.

As for the drug induced raging lunatic comments, those are probably best left out of the discussion

 

[dr2little]

What about owners of toy dogs that think its cute for their dogs to come running and snapping at mine?

What makes that acceptable?

Because a small dog in reality isn't going to cause as much damage as my GSD's or my mix that makes a toy breeds inappropriate behavior alright?

I don't think so.

Bad behavior is bad behavior. It is not acceptable. There is nothing cute about it and the size or the breed does not make a difference.

A poorly trained misbehaved dog is a nuisance period.

I can guarantee if my dogs behaved in the same manner I see little dogs allowed to act I'd be going to court.

I agree, and don't be so sure that a small dog won't "harm" a larger dog.
Sophie, who is not only my best girlfriend but also my demo dog is about 85 lbs. While on leash, not once but twice, she was full on attacked by a miniature schnauzer. While he did not actually physically harm her, she is no longer able to help with my classes as I now have the long and difficult job of desensitizing her to small grey/black dogs. I also own 4 toy breeds, and yes they are every bit as much dogs as my large dog. The owner of the schnauzer was smirking (he acutally thought it was funny) as I was struggling to keep his dog from biting Sophie and also from being killed by her in the process of defending herself. While he/his dog has been reported, the damage is done. Aggressive small breeds are not in any way, shape or form cute and should not be tollerated by the public any more than a large dog exibiting the same behavior.

 

[Serena]

I agree, and don't be so sure that a small dog won't "harm" a larger dog.
Sophie, who is not only my best girlfriend but also my demo dog is about 85 lbs. While on leash, not once but twice, she was full on attacked by a miniature schnauzer. While he did not actually physically harm her, she is no longer able to help with my classes as I now have the long and difficult job of desensitizing her to small grey/black dogs. I also own 4 toy breeds, and yes they are every bit as much dogs as my large dog. The owner of the schnauzer was smirking (he acutally thought it was funny) as I was struggling to keep his dog from biting Sophie and also from being killed by her in the process of defending herself. While he/his dog has been reported, the damage is done. Aggressive small breeds are not in any way, shape or form cute and should not be tollerated by the public any more than a large dog exibiting the same behavior.

Sorry to hear about Sophie...How is she coming along?

You are right that damage can be caused by small dogs...unfortunately when most of the damage is emotional rather than physical the owners seem to think that makes the behavior excusable...which it is not.

 

[Roxy's CD]

pup-man When you sarcastically post about threads of mine, implying that my dog is aggressive and dangerous you must expect any good dog owner to respond and be "crazy like". Maybe I am on drugs

HAHA

I agree with whatszmatter in the sense that of course most other smaller breeds won't result in fatalities. But even so, I don't think it makes it alright.

My main problem with the smaller breeds is people think it's "cute". So they do nothing to curb that behaviour. Awww, Look at Tinkerbell, growling and snapping at the dog 10 times her size! What a silly poochie!

I've seen it many times. And commented on the behaviour a couple of times.

In ontario, it's in the judges hands right now. From the court transcripts it sounded as though the judge was not impressed with the prosecutors at all. The judge actually asked, what if we put this through, then what? People who want mean dogs won't go onto other breeds?

And as mentioned BSL does not work. It just plain doesn't. Yes, it seems as though pitbulls stand out among the other breeds for human fatalities.

The gov't put governors on cars because people were driving fast and killing themselves. People still find a way to drive fast.

 

[LabBreeder]

<sigh>

You have missunderstood the point of this whole thread. For some reason, you just don't get it, I suggest stopping now before you blow a gasket....


Elegy- great post and thank you for pointing out that it is bad ownership, not bad breeds. Pit bulls get bad press because they are whats "hot" right now.

It's also "funny" that 99% dog fights and bites that do get press are pit bulls, when statistics will show that other dogs bite more (try googling before anyone comes after me with "how do you know that").

Roxy, good points, but calm down sweetie Don't let others ignorance get you so angry.

Dude, you don't need to tell me to "stop now". You aren't my parents, your Buddy's Parents. I was never mad, upset or anything else. You are going to push me and make me mad by telling me to stop though. I will keep posting until I get a satisfactory response...or until someone see's that I am getting the point I'm elaborating on it. So back off Buddy, I'll talk when and how I want.

Melissa_W - Yes, I get what is being said. You don't seem to be getting that it's not right to drag other breeds into the fray. I understand that it's not the breed it's the breeder/owner...I've already said that. It just makes no sense why you'd want to have every breed that's ever bitten someone plastered in the paper and have the BSL crap done to them as well. If Labs were randomly attacking people as much as pits were then they'd be going through BSL...but that's not the case. Anyone that wants a pit should have to prove they can take care of it and train it properly...just as any other dog. However, pits do have a bad rep that's why they are having to deal with BSL.

As it is, I'm not the one with the 'tude on here...so redirect any insinuations (Buddy's Parents) towards the one's that are actually fighting and arguing over this.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

But LabBreeder, people HAVE answered.... that's my point! Sheesh... just trying to be helpful....

 

[jess2416]

Yes, I get what is being said. You don't seem to be getting that it's not right to drag other breeds into the fray. I understand that it's not the breed it's the breeder/owner...I've already said that. It just makes no sense why you'd want to have every breed that's ever bitten someone plastered in the paper and have the BSL crap done to them as well. If Labs were randomly attacking people as much as pits were then they'd be going through BSL...but that's not the case. Anyone that wants a pit should have to prove they can take care of it and train it properly...just as any other dog. However, pits do have a bad rep that's why they are having to deal with BSL.

Why not have every breed that has bitten plastered across the news, its only fair...and why not that have BSL for every breed..and make everyone prove themselves to be good and responsible owners before owning *any* breed..

Its only fair, right...If people are going to act a certain way towards one breed they should do it to every breed..

*that above was sarcasm*

Its ridiculous...how people can not see past their own view points to see that its not about dragging other breeds into the spotlight, its about taking *all* breeds out of the spotlight, and making the OWNERS responsible for their dogs actions....

 

[LabBreeder]

I don't see why you'd want to tell someone to "stop now" when they are on the side of ANTI-BSL. I am all for having potential dog owners show that they can teach basic obedience (or take a class on how to) before getting any breed. If you want to get a "agressive" breed...or one that has had a bad history with a previous owner/breeder...you should be required to have no history of drug use, assault, violence or previous cruelty charges as well as being able to train a dog to behave properly. It would mean more work getting a dog, but it would be worth it if you really wanted him/her.

*edit - I know others have responded, it seems no one see's I'm frickin agreeing with anti BSL (for pits and any other breed)...geez*

 

[jess2416]

If you want to get a "agressive" breed.

ALL DOGS CAN BE AGGRESSIVE.................

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Its ridiculous...how people can not see past their own view points to see that its not about dragging other breeds into the spotlight, its about taking *all* breeds out of the spotlight, and making the OWNERS responsible for their dogs actions....

*clap clap clap*

Amen sister!