Broke people making more kids...

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  1. Shai

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    Depends on how they quantify failure. If pregnancy=failure then yes, but say in the case of condoms if failure is defined as the condom breaking/leaking, then that is only true if you would get pregnant 100% of the time you have sex without that BC, which we know is not the case.

    I don't know which is meant, so just throwing that out there
     
  2. stardogs

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    The crap about not letting women be sterilized on their request before x, y, and z conditions are met is RIDICULOUS. I had to fight to get an IUD for pete's sake and that was only a 5 year period and could be removed at any time, but there is a risk of problems that would result in sterility. I just do NOT get why doctors and insurance companies think that they know better than the woman requesting services when it comes to family planning.

    On my comment about available BC, yes, condoms are available pretty easily, BUT if you want to double up BC, then you still need access to the pill (which can be difficult as several PPs have said), or be informed about charting, etc. There's an extreme lack of education on the full line up of options out there as well!
     
  3. sparks19

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    I fully agree that sterilization should be given to those who want it above the age of 18... with the caveat that the doctor can not be held responsible if that person changes their mind later in life. that is the reason it is so hard to have it done. I am all for sterlizing people who want it that are of legal age.

    Until then... going without a "normal" part of adult life to prevent a pregnancy is the choice one may have to make even if it sucks

    And as always I am ALWAYS for personal responsibility. if you are an adult... it is not someone else's job to educate you on something when the information is readily available. "Well no one TOLD ME" is rarely a good excuse for anything lol ask the law :p
     
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    It doesn't work that way in the medical feild. Under that logic, you are saying every woman induced into labor with Cytotec and lost their child and/or their lives was completely their fault.

    As a healthcare provider, the top priority is GIVING INFORMATION. If it wasn't, why bother having doctors?
     
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    yeah that irks me, i can see a"oops" kid if you are taking procautions (fiancee & I use condoms CORRECTLY, because i can't use pills... cant tolorate them) but five or six? come on! what sucks more is I have to pay for them!!! I choose not to haave kids becsause i cant affod them & still i end up having to pay for someone elses git! horrible & infuriating to the point where this person was getting tons of crap at this ice house i was in line to pay for gas at saying "Oh its ok, i can put it on my star card!" i actually tapped her on the shoulder & said, "Your welcome" when she looked at me like i was crazy, i told her that MY taxes pay for what she is getting & that i thought i was owed a thank you... she got out of there pretty quick. LOL

    i wish i could upload this image of a posting called "the $50 lesson" but the attachment program wont accept it.
     
  6. sillysally

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    Haven't read the last few pages, but I think the OP mentioned that the family in question had bought a house but had not sold their other home. If they were able to get a loan in this housing market for a home, and pay two mortgages I would say that they can afford another child but right now they are strapped due to the house situation....
     
  7. Red.Apricot

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    I think the failure rates are over a one year period. So they mean one percent of women using X method get pregnant over the course of a year.

    I could be wrong though.
     
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    Yes, the failure rates are based on yearly statictics. So they aren'y really accurate at all. Failure rates are based on how many women use the method and how many ended up pregnant.

    X out of Y women. Not per each woman.
     
  9. darkchild16

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    Bev was being a stupid teen and on meds I couldnt take BC on and had sex with my then fiance. We had a good life and could support a kid easily BUT he decided to leave us and I had to quit my job because I was pregnant.

    Morgan was BC that was expired and I had no clue until we were pregnant. Savannah was a total different kind that we WERE using correctly.
     
  10. sparks19

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    I am extremely responsive to birth control. I have been on it off and on since 15, definitely had times where I was not taking exactly correctly (as far as same time everyday, some days i would even forget and take two the next day) and never had it fail. I did get pregnant once prior to hannah but that wasn't a BC fail that was a being responsible fail and most here know how that ended.

    I have not been on BC since I found out I was pregnant with Hannah and have pretty mich been following my ovulatiOn cycles and what not and no surprise yet. My body is pretty easy to plan around lol. I am super regular. But we realize this is risky and know a baby is totally possible and we are prepared for that just in case
     
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    Yeah, me too, i know my body & can "tell" when i am ovulating & when I am "close" to bleeding, i mark my cycles on the calender (even mark the days for 21 & 35 days because i know a cycle can start that early or thsat late) so i try not to have sex when i am ovulating even tho i use condoms. I am 30, & if i had insurance, i would get sterilized because i KNOW that i DO NOT want any kids EVER for certian... but even then i would still use condoms LOL
     
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    That is hardly what I am saying at all... But I suspect you knew that. B

    I agree doctors should give info but when your doctor prescribes something do they sit there and go over every single bit of info about that drug? Not usually because A) they usually have one hundred other patients just like you demanding to be seen today and B) because those meds come with an info sheet containing that info given by a pharmacist who asks (or normally does) if you understand everything about the meds and if you want them to go ober it with you.
     
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    Yes, so out of 100 women, x become pregnant using that method of birth control. Doesn't mean it "isn't really accurate at all", just that the numbers measure something different. It is completely reasonable to say that if 15 women (15%) get pregnant using condoms and 2 (2%) get pregnant using birth control pills, then .3 (3/1000) would get pregnant using both at the same time. That's basic statistics 101, independent probability.

    Now, that being said, there is a good chance that most people who get pregnant while using condoms are doing something incorrectly, and would likely do something incorrectly with the BC too--so it's not a perfect science. Still, it's a reliable indicator.

    Adding a secondary method (other than multiple forms of hormonal BC) is never going to increase your likelihood of getting pregnant, unless you are using a faulty method (e.g. expired spermicide) that is causing you to use the first method (a condom) incorrectly. In that case, the spermicide does nothing, and the condom's effectiveness is decreased.

    An easy way to prevent that is by charting temperatures to the best of your ability, and avoiding fertile days. There is no way that can interfere with any other form of BC you use, and while it is not 100% accurate, it is a reliable indicator and can help you to prevent pregnancy, especially in conjunction with another method.
     
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    If the information is given to you, why should a doctor list every single thing on the sheet, when you will walk out and forget half of it a couple minutes later. That is why they give you information sheets with all prescriptions.

    Being induced into labor, I am fairly certain they don't give you a pamphlet over the drug they give you, at least they didn't for me, so it is a completely different circumstance. But for prescription, I would think one would read the sheet when going on a new medication. And it is your responsibility to let your doctor AND pharmacist know what all medications you are on, so that they can make sure not to put you on something that will react with another medication, or tell you if it will interfere with the effectiveness of something. But it is YOUR responsibility to say,...hey I am also on such and such, will this medication have any effect on that?
     
  15. sillysally

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    Every doctor that I've ever gone to has asked what meds I'm on. If they are giving you a drug that is known to interact with another drug that you are currently taking, then yes, it is their duty as a health care provider to inform you of that. That's not listing every single thing on the drug info sheet, that informing you of a drug interaction, which is sort of key information. It takes two seconds to glance at a list of meds, see that one med the patient is on is birth control, and tell said patient that the BC is going to be less effective. That, IMHO, is the bare minimum expected of a doctor.
     
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    I'm really just confused.

    I grew up in a middle class household. My parents were very faithful (I don't like the term "religious", but you could use it here just to get the point across). I grew up in a VERY modest household. I was never given "the talk", or anything else along those lines. Sex was NEVER discussed between me and my mom, much less my dad (horror of horrors!). I can't recall a single time the word "sex" was used in that house.

    And yet, I still knew how you got pregnant, how to prevent pregnancy, and where to go to get condoms or birth control. Heck, I learned it from health/p.e. class in 7th grade (compliments of the public school system - of course it wasn't taught in much depth).

    I've heard that low-income woman just don't have access to it, or they don't know about it, but....really? There's only PP billboards everywhere. The word "condom" isn't exactly some unspoken word just used in hushed tones via secret messages.

    I think much of the blame lies on EFFORT. Some would have to make an effort to get the birth control. Someone would have to pass up the McD's to pay for a box of condoms instead.



    Oh, and while I do appreciate that income credit one gets per child, I'd be soooo much more happy if they did away with it!!! I don't get it - my younger brother claimed less than $300 income for the 2011 year (don't ask). And yet, thanks to their 6 kids, they got back a little under $6,000 this year on their income taxs. Seriously? I've got so many curse words running through my head right now (pretty much all the time when I think of them). I don't get how you can not work, not pay taxes, and yet get back double (at a minimum) that of which working people get back!
     
  17. Renee750il

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    Planned Parenthood (under attack from so many fronts) has, for a LONG time, made low and no-cost birth control readily available, no questions asked.

    Sure, there are people who have real problems with many of the readily available forms of birth control, but, for the majority of us, it's out there. And affordable.

    So yeah, it's not like birth control is unavailable.

    Sometimes things go awry on the material plane though . . . There are worse things than raising kids without much in the way of money, and sometimes people DO need help. It's when it becomes a lifestyle that I have a problem and I feel like I'm being held hostage to someone else's dumb choices.
     
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    Welcome to my career lol.

    I specialise in people who shouldn't have kids :p

    People don't get pregnant from lack of birth control (its free here remember, and they still get pregnant ;) ). They get pregnant from too much sex :p

    I do believe its only a good thing to provide it free.... God knows what wed be dealing with if it wasn't free......
     
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    I should also point out that people genuinely don't know. Yes, parents should be educating their children about such things, but a lot of the time, they don't. My mother is very embarassed about such things, and I think she assumed I would learn it from school.

    It also doesn't help that, and I wish I was kidding about this, when I was having Sex Ed in the ninth grade, the teacher stood in front of a classroom of students, held up a condom, and told the assembled class that condoms would fail to prevent pregnancy 75% of the time, and that abstinance was the only way. I can see why people, if this is the only education they get, don't bother. Why use something that is only effective 25% of the time?

    Granted, I'm stuck right in the middle of the bible belt, so most places aren't so extreme, but still.

    My mother and I were watching Glee a few years ago, and a character pulled the old 'you got me pregnant in a hot tub' lie MOm couldn't believe how stupid the male character was for believing that, and I had to break it gently to her that I went to college with people who genuinely believed that it was possible.

    Should people do more research? Yes. I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of personal responsibility involved, especially with the decision to bring another life into the world, but lets be realistic. Once people are told that something is the truth by a person in authority, most of them don't question it. It's human nature.
     
  20. Izzy's Valkyrie

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    You're assuming people have no control over themselves. Sort of the same way we blame women when they get assaulted because they shouldn't have dressed a certain way; you're assuming men have no control over their base urges. It's untrue and I think with proper education people can learn how to keep it in their pants because they understand the consequences.
     

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