Breeding for sports
- Thread starter Laurelin
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Well the cutesy name thing is here to stay, I think, and it's really not the hill I want to die on. Some days it annoys me and some of them are pretty ridiculous but most days I don't really care.
Anyway, I'd rather see "cavapoo" than "poodle mix" or "mutt" on a chart. At least it gives me some idea of the lineage and what general things I might expect or concerns be thinking about.
Anyway, I'd rather see "cavapoo" than "poodle mix" or "mutt" on a chart. At least it gives me some idea of the lineage and what general things I might expect or concerns be thinking about.
To rephrase and elaborate, GSDs are not designer dogs just because they have mixed origins and were bred to be desirable. They were bred for a job and while some may have just bred them to sell them, they were obviously largely bred with the purpose of "furthering the breed." Their breeding was a multigenerational project to create a useful animal. That discounts the breed from being designer as far as I am concerned, regardless of why some people are breeding them now.
I always thought "designer dog" referred to mixes bred to be marketed as trendy. I don't really think of the original doodle mixes as "designer dogs." They weren't bred to be trendy, they were bred to be hypoallergenic service and companion dogs, and dogs were also kept back and there was an attempt (I think ongoing?) to make a consistent breed.
But you have a whole slew of mixed puppies that are only selling for hundreds or thousands because it's seen as fashionable to have an expensive, creatively-named crossbreed. Now, obviously when they bred these dogs they expected the puppies would go as pets, but the majority of these people aren't (to my knowledge) keeping dogs back or selecting breeding stock on the basis of consistent puppies. They breed a litter, sell a litter. I don't think it's a big deal as long as they are breeding sound pups that make good pets, BUT that is a different sort of project than breeding GSDs or a purebred toy breed, etc.
I always thought "designer dog" referred to mixes bred to be marketed as trendy. I don't really think of the original doodle mixes as "designer dogs." They weren't bred to be trendy, they were bred to be hypoallergenic service and companion dogs, and dogs were also kept back and there was an attempt (I think ongoing?) to make a consistent breed.
But you have a whole slew of mixed puppies that are only selling for hundreds or thousands because it's seen as fashionable to have an expensive, creatively-named crossbreed. Now, obviously when they bred these dogs they expected the puppies would go as pets, but the majority of these people aren't (to my knowledge) keeping dogs back or selecting breeding stock on the basis of consistent puppies. They breed a litter, sell a litter. I don't think it's a big deal as long as they are breeding sound pups that make good pets, BUT that is a different sort of project than breeding GSDs or a purebred toy breed, etc.
Again... sometimes. I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough before, but the dogs I see are being bred for a very specific purpose and filling a niche - as a family companion dog.
I see dogs all day every day, and it's very rare for me to see someone who seems to have gotten a "designer" dog for any kind of status or fashion, and the ones I can think off right off the top of my head are the teeny, weeny, tiny yorkie mixes and such. But it's very, very common for me to see families who got doodles or cockapoos or a few of the other crossbreeds because they were looking specifically for a great family pet and their family and/or friends had great experiences with their doodle.
I really don't know why people don't feel that existing breeds aren't filling that niche. And I don't really personally understand why people pay so much for them. At the beginning of the doodle craze it used to make me nuts. But over time I do know that the vast, vast majority of the families I see are very happy and their dogs are a good fit for them, so at the end of the day I just really don't care anymore.
I see dogs all day every day, and it's very rare for me to see someone who seems to have gotten a "designer" dog for any kind of status or fashion, and the ones I can think off right off the top of my head are the teeny, weeny, tiny yorkie mixes and such. But it's very, very common for me to see families who got doodles or cockapoos or a few of the other crossbreeds because they were looking specifically for a great family pet and their family and/or friends had great experiences with their doodle.
I really don't know why people don't feel that existing breeds aren't filling that niche. And I don't really personally understand why people pay so much for them. At the beginning of the doodle craze it used to make me nuts. But over time I do know that the vast, vast majority of the families I see are very happy and their dogs are a good fit for them, so at the end of the day I just really don't care anymore.
for those that didn't get why i called the gsd a designer breed, i will go further and call every breed from lap dog/ companion, sheepdog, ppd......etc very much a designer breed by pure logic and respect for the definitions and intent of the english language, also will add the labradoodle was an attempt by what i gather of a highly experienced, ethical, moral and knowledgable service dog trainer. and also most purebred dog breeders also breed to sell puppies with no other goal in mind despite what noisy public proclamations they make. i think the purbred crowd that have nothing else to off than their puppies can be registered fear they might lose some market share so discredit for the sake of discrediting for many of the same practices they themselves do.
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verb (used with object)
1. to prepare the preliminary sketch or the plans for (a work to be executed), especially to plan the form and structure of: to design a new bridge.
2. to plan and fashion artistically or skillfully.
3. to intend for a definite purpose: a scholarship designed for foreign students.
4. to form or conceive in the mind; contrive; plan: The prisoner designed an intricate escape.
5. to assign in thought or intention; purpose: He designed to be a doctor.
but everyone on the internet is right no matter what they believe as far as i am concerned.
de·sign/d***618;***712;za***618;n/ Show Spelled [dih-zahyn] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to prepare the preliminary sketch or the plans for (a work to be executed), especially to plan the form and structure of: to design a new bridge.
2. to plan and fashion artistically or skillfully.
3. to intend for a definite purpose: a scholarship designed for foreign students.
4. to form or conceive in the mind; contrive; plan: The prisoner designed an intricate escape.
5. to assign in thought or intention; purpose: He designed to be a doctor.
but everyone on the internet is right no matter what they believe as far as i am concerned.
So then any dog bred in any way other than accidental is designer? If you bred yours to be hunting dogs (intended for a definite purpose), they are designer dogs. If someone breeds their top notch herding border collie to a World Champion border collie to create more stellar dogs to work sheep, they are designer dogs. People who breed to the Crufts and Westminster winners are breeding designer dogs.
Gusto is officially not a designer dog, since I expect the discovery of his mother's pregnancy was more of a "Son of a gun, who knocked up this dog?" sort of thing. He's a real dog! Ain't nobody designing him!
And yet ironically, constantly has people trying to guess what sport mix he is
Gusto is officially not a designer dog, since I expect the discovery of his mother's pregnancy was more of a "Son of a gun, who knocked up this dog?" sort of thing. He's a real dog! Ain't nobody designing him!
And yet ironically, constantly has people trying to guess what sport mix he is
Exactly
That is like using the term "BYB" on a dog forum and then going on to say
Definition of BACKYARD
1
: an area at the rear of a house
2
: a nearby area : neighborhood <crimes committed in our own backyard>
breed·er noun \***712;br***275;-d***601;r\
: one that breeds: as
a : an animal or plant kept for propagation
b : one engaged in the breeding of a specified organism
Oh well, this is not a BYB because they were inside the house.
Or this reputable breeder is a BYB because the breeding took place in the backyard.
That is like using the term "BYB" on a dog forum and then going on to say
Definition of BACKYARD
1
: an area at the rear of a house
2
: a nearby area : neighborhood <crimes committed in our own backyard>
breed·er noun \***712;br***275;-d***601;r\
: one that breeds: as
a : an animal or plant kept for propagation
b : one engaged in the breeding of a specified organism
Oh well, this is not a BYB because they were inside the house.
Or this reputable breeder is a BYB because the breeding took place in the backyard.
Go hug your designer dog, you snob. Just put Mira in your purse and go buy some more glitter lotion or whatever you do when you own a designer dogs. I'm gonna take my real dog, as mentioned in Genesis ("And on the thirteenth day, God created the Gusto and said "Holy bat wings, what have I done?! Put it back, put it back!"), and go do Real Dog things.
I shall reject my Designer Dog and embrace my Real Dogs. Forgive me, for I had fallen from the Path of the Real Dog and only now see the error of my ways!
For when God created the Gusto and said "Holy bat wings!" out sprang the Webster unto the world. And to provide balance unto the world, God then created the Kim and the Meg, and saw that they were good.
For when God created the Gusto and said "Holy bat wings!" out sprang the Webster unto the world. And to provide balance unto the world, God then created the Kim and the Meg, and saw that they were good.
