Breeding back to back

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  1. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    There was a post on here a while ago supporting back to back breeding. I'm on my phone and can't find it. Does anyone know what I am talking about? Thanks
     
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    Most vets recommend breeding as early as possible, breeding back to back, and then spaying to reduce the risk of pyo. That's the only rationalization I've heard for it, though - nothing about the bitch's actual condition, just to get their organs out as soon as possible.
     
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    The reading I did had something to do with the condition of the uterus. It gets worse with each heat cycle. I wish I could find the article now.
     
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    not that it "gets worse" but iv been told that the bitches body, and uterus, prepare for puppies wether she got bred or not. so theres virtually no difference in the wear and tear of puppyless heats vs puppied heats. being that other than the labor and nursing itself, theres no difference between the two, i suppose people figure might as well get them all done in one go, and not draw it out.

    also been told that the more heats she has WITHOUT being used, the greater chance of whelping/pregnancy complications, cysts, cancer, etc
     
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    Was it posted recently? Redeyre may have posted something a long time ago, I believe she bred her bitch back-to-back.

    I'm not finding anything but I did find this:
    http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=1224

    Hutchison's name comes up in a lot of forum discussions. I'm not finding any studies/research to back this up, just people basically saying "I've heard this."
     
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    I did read an article by a veterinary reproductive specialist that recommended the back-to-back thing, but it was a while ago, and I don't have a link. From a purely reproductive standpoint, it makes sense, but there are other considerations.
     
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    From what I've seen, Dr. Hutchinson's stance is basically that everything possible should be done to reduce the number of heat cycles a bitch experiences to protect the uterus from the progestrone damage it sustains every heat cycle, regardless of breeding. He is also a big proponent of cheque drops last I saw, in and effort to keep the bitch from cycling between breedings. His description is especially that if you prevent heat cycles, you could have a five or six year old girl with the uterus of a two or three year old because she has experienced fewer heat cycles.

    Others speak out against cheque drops as being very dangerous for the girls, so take that as you will...

    As for breeding back to back, that has consistently seemed to be something to address with individuals. Is the girl in good health? How long since her last litter (some girls cycle every four months...others once a year)? How much did that last litter take out of her (c-section? Tough pregnancy? Complications? Giant litter?)?

    From a 2002 (so possibly dated) interview with Dr. Hutchinson:

    And later in the interview, after being asked whether to breed the heat immediately after ceasing cheque drop:
    But his goal is basically to get the puppies you want then spay. No additional heat cycles if possible. If you don't plan to spay after your final litter, then your main incentive would trying to achieve the pregnancy with the uterus in as "young" a state as possible or simply convenience. In which case the question circles back to how well your girl recovered from her last pregnancy and puppy raising extravaganza.

    I'd go on but my thumbs are getting tired :p
     
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    Thank you. I was having a discussion with someone about the merits of breeding back to back (with a vets go ahead) and just wanted more info. I'm not pro breeding back to back but I'm not against it. Just wanted the info. Thanks.
     
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    My repro vet said that they lose uterine tone every time they go into season, so that if a bitch is in good condition after a litter (not too skinny from nursing, etc.) it's safer to do it back to back. If she isn't in good weight and stuff then obviously it's bad.

    I think part of it depends on the breed too. Some primitive breeds have seasons that are about a year apart, so not only is it spaced out more they also go through less seasons overall than more modern breeds that go in every 6 months or so. I.E, my 4 year old borzoi bitch has only had 4 seasons. But her 4 year old collie buddy has had 8 so far. So she should have better uterine tone even though they are the same age.
     
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    That's our dr. Hutchinson!

    Pretty sure that's where I heard the breed back thing when we were talking about showing and breeding gizmo(look how those plans fizzled out!). Pretty sure he was the one in the practice to do Byron's ears as well.

    I know my regular old vet said younger the better.
     

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