Ohhhhhh Poodles can be fun.... Not sure about Toys, but Minis or a Standard could be cool.... Aleron - Yeah, I think for a Pyr Shep or a Groenendael it would have to be a specific breeding, like you said. But I must admit that I'm totally going to begin stalking the Pyr Sheps that compete around here because they are SO COOL to watch. But I can keep them in mind for sure! I WANT A TOLLER. But I'm not sure they are QUITE what I'm looking for, unfortunately. However, there is a breeder of Finkies and Tollers that I know of (Raegan I know you know of her too LOL), so I wonder if they are a bit more alike than I think? I should email her for sure.... And Icelandics DO seem to be in line with what I want. I will keep researching them and their lines a bit. Romy - OMG. The way the Shikoku is described on various websites it seems like they are the Finkies of Japan, but with a bit more biddability. I have want. OMG. Totally emailing some breeders.