Brachy breeds health vs quality?
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Yup, that's been going on for years, it's effort was the tail originally.
That said, that is an outcross, no longer a purebred, hence breeding far away from standard.
Many breeds have done it for one reason or another, ABD allow(ed?) 1/16th outcross to be considered purebred but not many other breed clubs are as lenient.
That said, that is an outcross, no longer a purebred, hence breeding far away from standard.
Many breeds have done it for one reason or another, ABD allow(ed?) 1/16th outcross to be considered purebred but not many other breed clubs are as lenient.
This is the full set of bobtail Boxer articles, includes pictures of the first generation and shows just how fast you get get breed type back when using outcrosses to other breeds. Pretty interesting!
http://bobtailboxers.com/the-cross-corgi-ex-boxer
They are now registered with the KC too, so for all intents and purposes they are now purebred Boxers
"Clearly another problem, were the exercise ever to have any practical value, would be the Kennel Club's view on the registration of these dogs. Entry to the KC Breed Register seemed possible under Regulation B.2c of the KC Regulations for Classification and Registration (page 3.21 of the 1997/1998 Yearbook). This concerns dogs of impure, or unverified breeding. I put the case for registration to the Kennel Club together with a copy of my original letter to Martin Sinnatt and a copy of his positive reply. I also provided all the details on the successive generations of crosses, including the photographic evidence, and the fact that blood samples for DNA analysis had been collected at each generation. After much time and no doubt much discussion I was advised that the case had been approved. I then had to register each generation from the first cross through to the last and this I did with the help and advice of Brian Leonard.
The registrations are now with me. They show the early generations as crossbreds and this last, the fourth generation, as Boxers.
So they can now be formally exhibited at shows and in fact the 8 months old bitch illustrated in Fig 4 did compete at a recent Midland Boxer Club event. She did not get placed, but it was a tough class of 20 odd minor puppies. More importantly, however, no one noted anything atypical about her appearance or temperament. She performed in the ring without special attention other than from those in the know. It will be nice if the bob-tail pups from the recent litters can finish up looking as good."
http://bobtailboxers.com/the-cross-corgi-ex-boxer
They are now registered with the KC too, so for all intents and purposes they are now purebred Boxers
"Clearly another problem, were the exercise ever to have any practical value, would be the Kennel Club's view on the registration of these dogs. Entry to the KC Breed Register seemed possible under Regulation B.2c of the KC Regulations for Classification and Registration (page 3.21 of the 1997/1998 Yearbook). This concerns dogs of impure, or unverified breeding. I put the case for registration to the Kennel Club together with a copy of my original letter to Martin Sinnatt and a copy of his positive reply. I also provided all the details on the successive generations of crosses, including the photographic evidence, and the fact that blood samples for DNA analysis had been collected at each generation. After much time and no doubt much discussion I was advised that the case had been approved. I then had to register each generation from the first cross through to the last and this I did with the help and advice of Brian Leonard.
The registrations are now with me. They show the early generations as crossbreds and this last, the fourth generation, as Boxers.
So they can now be formally exhibited at shows and in fact the 8 months old bitch illustrated in Fig 4 did compete at a recent Midland Boxer Club event. She did not get placed, but it was a tough class of 20 odd minor puppies. More importantly, however, no one noted anything atypical about her appearance or temperament. She performed in the ring without special attention other than from those in the know. It will be nice if the bob-tail pups from the recent litters can finish up looking as good."
Aleron, thanks for clarifying, the point was that that first or few outcross breedings would not be "pure" but breeding back would ensure it (example 1/16th in ABD).
I don't know that anyone has any intention of breeding in a full(er?) tail in frenchies. I'm sure you can find a fluke though but I hope nothing is being sacrificed in the breeding.
I don't know that anyone has any intention of breeding in a full(er?) tail in frenchies. I'm sure you can find a fluke though but I hope nothing is being sacrificed in the breeding.
Yeah, you can find the occasional pet-quality Frenchie without a full screw tail, but since I thought the whole reason OP wanted one with a tail was to avoid hemivertebrae...that wouldn't matter, because those "short" tails are still kinked and fused. It isn't possible to get an actual, full tail on a Frenchie and completely avoid the potential congenital vertebral abnormalities unless you cross out to another breed.
Exactly, that would lead me to believe that this is not a trait that is bred for often in Frenchies, and if you were to find one, my question would be "are they sacrificing anything else?"
My guess is that the "tailed" Frenchies are probably from cross breeding programs- and all of the dogs you posted have kinked tails so the tail really doesn't seem to change the predisposition to spinal issues much.
My guess is that the "tailed" Frenchies are probably from cross breeding programs- and all of the dogs you posted have kinked tails so the tail really doesn't seem to change the predisposition to spinal issues much.
I am assuming its a game of numbers, the likelihood of a cross breed presenting a frenchie look and a tail is greater than a genetic deformity (frenchie present fewer or fuse vertebrae than a normal dog, I think? ETA: Someone want to verify?) throwing a longer tail. Not to say it cannot happen but the likelihood favors the crossbreeding of a dog often crossbred already.
Lucy has a longer, less corkscrew tail. I honesty would prefer she didn't. It's still kinked and she can't move it to much. There's a little bald spot on it because she can't move it completely out of the way when she sits. She's seems completely fine with it, but it seems like it would be uncomfortable to me. Longer wouldn't mean healthier to me.
