Boy, 9, savaged by dog at home

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  1. darkchild16

    darkchild16 We are Home.

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    Sorry I either interpretted wrong or took my pissy pills this morning and they just wore off LOL. I just cant stand people suddenly blaming the dog. The parents have some responsibility too (shocker in our society today)
     
  2. Lilavati

    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    It's ok, I have mornings like that too . . .

    Actually, although society is fast to blame someone, anyone, they seem pretty quick to blame the parents too . . . as long as someone is blamed. If they can blame a dog (which can't defend itself) so much the better. But lacking an animal, they'll blame someone. As long as its not the kid . . . unless of course, the kid has done something 'criminal' at which point they need to be locked up in prison . . . <sigh>

    The only time I blame the dog for situations like this is in the very, very rare cases where there is something mentally wrong with the dog. I've encountered one dog that as far as anyone could tell was schizophrenic, or some canine equivalent there of. I've read about Springer rage (and have my suspicions about a certain Springer around here) and other mental/brain/seizure disorders that can simply make a dog crazy. There are a few dogs that really are, by human standards, born bad. But they are a distinct minority . . . and even then, I don't really blame the dog . . . I blame the disease that made them that way. And I don't think that there are entire breeds that are born bad . . . not for everyone, or difficult, sure . . . but bad? No.
     
  3. Miakoda

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    Sydney? As in Syndey, Australia? The country where American Pit Bull Terriers are BANNED? The country that has some of the toughest restrictions getting SBTs into the country because of the law?

    Back when I was a child, if one of us got bitten by a dog, the first thing out of my parents' mouths was "What did you do?"
     
  4. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Yup, Mia . . . and that's still the first thought that runs through my head.
     
  5. Lilavati

    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    Yeah, my family too.
     
  6. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    ABSOLUTELY.

    Blame the owners, not the dog?

    It wasn't the owners that bit the chilld..... But yes, they should take responsibility for not training their dog.

    But the dog is NOW a liability - blameless or not.
     
  7. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Banned here too - doesn't necessarily mean you couldn't find one if you looked hard enough.
     
  8. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    We had a 6' privacy fence. A 12 pound Terrier. Neighbor kids who poked holes through the wood fence and then poked sticks through and tormented the dog . . . guess what happened when they poked their fingers through?

    Fortunately, that was in a time where parents actually believed their little angels WOULD do rotten things and should have to face the consequences.

    Dumbest kid I ever saw was the one who lived next door to us when we moved to Tennessee. He'd stand over in his yard and taunt my GSD and throw rocks at him. Didn't matter if we were out there, because his parents thought it was funny.

    They didn't think it was so funny when their toddler - who was unsupervised - crawled out in the middle of the road and was sitting there playing. My GSD that they allowed their son to torment relentlessly cleared the fence and went out in the road and brought the baby back, then stood there and kept it from going back into the road and barked until I could get out there.

    And they still let their kid tease him :rolleyes: THAT is a kid who richly deserved mauling. Fortunately, Purdue was too kid-centric to do it.
     
  9. shadowfacedanes

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    Yes, God Forbid a parent teach their child that a neighbor's fenced in yard is NOT public territory and should be respected as a boundary. God forbid that the owners of the dog responsibly fenced in their yard to keep their dog from running loose. It's CLEARLY the dogs fault. :rolleyes:

    I live beside idiots like this. Idiots that despite how many times I've told to stay out of my yard, do not approach Hannah, that Hannah hates them, they STILL come into my yard. I have put myself in front of Hannah when the kids run up to her because I know that Hannah has no tolerance for these two children. I have told the parents. Yet, do you think those kids stay out of my yard? NO.

    The dog is not always to blamed. Even the best trained dog is still an animal, and has a breaking point. Children are notorious for pushing buttons, pushing the boundaries. Why? Because they can, because they're "kids" and there are no consequences anymore because people are too scared (or too lazy) to discipline.
     
  10. Lilavati

    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    Often, these situations are complicated. Not always. A child who comes back time and time again to torment a dog, especially after warnings, simply deserves to be bitten. A parent who does not warn their child, especially after observing there is a problem, is a bad parent. An owner who doesn't train their dog to be patient, or to ignore mild provocation (admittedly, sometimes much easier said than done) or, as an alternative, does not keep their dog where it is hard for children to get to, is a bad owner.

    We have so few details about this case, that it is hard to judge. We don't know if the dog had ever been a problem before. We don't know if the kid had been a problem before. We don't know what the parents did or did not do, and we don't know what the owner did or did not do.

    Sometimes, more than one person is at fault. Sometimes no one is at fault. Sometimes you'll just get a headache trying to figure out who is at fault.

    To be sure, the tendancy in some areas (not where I live, thankfully) to fail to teach children that property boundaries are nothing short of sacred is a huge problem. Of course, kids have, and always will, ignore that rule. But I will say I'm not pleased when no one makes the effort in the first place (and I simply scratch my head at neighborhoods that have banned fences of any kind because they "lower property values" . . . I just don't get it).

    Kid's fault? Parent's fault? Owner's fault? Probably all of the above.

    If this really was an ABPT, then it was illegal to have it in Austrailia. Unless the owner had it prior to the ban, then they were breaking the law when they got the dog. Although BSL is BS, the fact that someone broke the law to get this dog indicates that a) the breeder wasn't a gem of responsibility, and b) the owner wasn't either. That dog was in mortal danger from just existing, and thus should not have existed. This makes me inclined to think this is someone with little respect for the rules, little respect for their dog, and moreover, wanted a pit bull for the 'bad dog' image. So . . . probably not a great owner.

    I've discussed the kid above.

    I think the parents could well be at fault, I just dislike the kneejerk reaction to blame them.

    Or it could be combination there of . . . inattentive parents who did not instruct their child well . . . . child who ignores what warnings he did have and the ditates of common sense, and who might well have been kicking at the dog . . . poorly socialized dog that spent far too much time in the yard, thanks to irresponsible owner.

    But, that's speculation.

    In your case, Shadowface, I sympathize . . . we have a lady with a Rottie down the street who had the same problem with a certain family.
     
  11. Renee750il

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    And then there's the question of whether it really IS an APBT or not . . . wouldn't be the first time a dog's breed was mislabled as a Pit.
     
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    I get so tired of the blame game. Blame the parents, blame the kids, blame the dog, blame the breed....:rolleyes:

    It is never just one thing that creates an issue. It is always a combination of factors.

    When did humanity loose the simple art of reasonable thinking? For goodness sakes, "LIFE HAPPENS", we can't always control it, and I'm darned glad that we can't. How else would we be able to learn from our mistakes and advance in our understanding if we never met any unexpected events?


    Should a child have to experience the trauma of a dog attack? Believe you me, if I could prevent it from ever happening again I would. But the only way that will happen is if we build a dome over humanity and ban dogs entirely.

    We can/do try our hardest to prevent these combination of factors that create these situations from ever reaching fruition, but even with the best of efforts put forward, it WILL happen again. And thats a FACT.

    Now we (as in humanity) can accept the fact that shite happens and move on after learning not to ever do that again, or we can continue to try to fix life so nothing ever happens to anybody and end up stagnating in our blissfully sheltered state.

    Rant over...

    Sorry, having a bad day today.
    But you see, shite happens :cool:
     
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    I did say . . . if it was . . . although I think most of the bull breeds are banned in Australia . . of course, then there are the mixes . . .or it could just be labrador retriever . . . since they seem to be mistaken for pits (?!?!?!)
     
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    You may be having a bad day, but I agree. I think its a huge problem with our soceity today that no one realizes that sometimes accidents happen and no one is enough at fault to be punished. Sometimes, all to often, bad things happen. It's life. If you built a dome and took away the dogs, people would just fall in the shower. Things just happen sometimes.

    For that matter, sometimes someone is at fault, but it can be dealt with through the tort system, or, in the case of parents, through their own guilt and grief . . . no need for criminal charges.
     
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    You're right. But I've got a friend who lives in Sydney (who used to own APBTs here before she got married & relocated) who states that the laws getting this breed into that country are more strict than any other country she's ever lived in.

    As for the dog, I've got a "1 bite and you're resting in the dirt" policy. So should the dog be euthanized? Sure.

    But I got pissed off a few months ago when some parish workers, who were spraying the ditch behind my hosue, decided to hang over my privacy fence and whistle and holler at my dogs. When the sheriff's deputy arrived, they got in trouble but not before I got a warning that if one of them happened to fall into my yard and got bit, I would be held completely liable. So if y'all had read about that in the newspaper, would it still have been my fault? If some dodo idiot fell into my yard (which IMO is trespassing & even threatening to me) and got bit by any of my dogs?

    And again, great post, DryCreek! As long as humans have interaction with animals, injuries to both sides will happen. No matter what, people will be scratched and bitten and animals will be injured in a variety of ways whether intentional or accidental. That's life.
     
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    I hope that they don't blame the dog !!!! pore dog
     
  17. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    I too hate the whole blame thing. Why do we have such a need to point fingers? Why especially when it comes to dog bites?
     
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    I totally agree. It may not have been anyone's fault. Not everything that happens has one person to blame.

    I also agree w/ everthing said here about kids. I am and early childhood major. I study child development. People give kids way too much credit when it comes to processing information and blame kids for things they honestly cant help. Even teenagers, though they appear adult-like and can reproduce their brains arent fully developed and the CANT think as resposibly as an adult. That is why they do the things they do. If his parents arent big animal people and they dont own dogs maybe they never gave him a reason to be afraid of strange dogs. Doesnt make them bad parents. I grew up in the country w/ a ton of dogs around. Some ours, some neighbors', some strays. I was never told to be leary of dogs or animals. I wasnt afraid of anything and I would pet any dog. I somehow new how to approach a dog and to be careful and read they're reaction before reaching a hand out but I just figured that one out on my own. I still think I had good parents.

    Not everyone's life revolves around dogs. Some people never talk about dogs w/ their kids or anyone else. Not saying they shouldnt (they should) but not thinking to talk to them about it doesnt make them irresponsible. Maybe it never came up.
     
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    It seems natural that dogs will bite when provoked....some sooner than others.

    Kids often do things they're not supposed to do because they think they can get away with it, because they have little self-control, etc. Maybe they think they can get away with teasing the dog because everyone who has told them not to isn't anywhere around at the moment. Just like they get away with tormenting their little sister when no one's within earshot.

    I don't know why some dogs bite when pushed to their limit and others 'attack'. I would think most dogs would eventually bite, but I just don't know what causes some to go beyond that bite to mauling.

    Being a parent, I think most parents whose child is seriously injured or killed in any kind of accident probably is constantly running over all the things they could have done/should have done differently to prevent it. It must be terrible to have to try to come to grips with having a child killed by an accident and ever lose the feeling of guilt. Something I hope I never experience.
     

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