Bias and hypocricy of views

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  1. Criosphynx

    Criosphynx New Member

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    since when?

    are salukis even born with dewclaws on the rear?

    wait...are you talking about clipping the dewclaw or removing it?
     
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    I think clipping.
     
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    From his other thread, in response to what he considers emergency (ie, when he goes to the vet):
    His dog seemed to have nice, full ears...
     
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    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    THat's good. I missed that post i guess. I Thought he said he didn't vet. I couldn't for the life imagine someone not doing so or why.
     
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    Of course any dog can bite. But a stable dog with an even temperament and proper training is a lot less likely to bite than a nerve bag dog that doesn't have any training. And I agree- someone who can't read their dog's behavior shouldn't have one, but we both know that is rarely a criteria for dog ownership. Breeders who take pride in their dogs and who screen their potential puppy owners wouldn't sell a dog to someone like that, but a bad breeder with poorly bred dogs who doesn't care who gets a pup isn't going to look twice at who is buying the dog, only that their money is green.

    I'm speaking strictly from a bad genetics point of view, not from an environmental one. The original point I argued was the statement about "a dog can't help the way it was born", and in my hypothetical case, the dog was born as a fearful dog where a person doesn't have to do anything to have him react. The kind of dog that's scared of his own shadow but from a dog breed that might have been a working breed at some point so it's penchant for using it's teeth is engrained in it's history.
     
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    thanks for the response , i had thought that was the case as it was so unlike you .

    have a good evening :)
     
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    4dogs3cats Aroooooo!

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    I have had Bailey for 5 years and she has seen the vet twice. This may make me a bad person, but the only time she's been was when she was spayed, and then again when she had an allergic reaction.

    But she is as useful as a throw pillow anyway (dont tell her I said that,) So shes pretty low maintenence.
     
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    Believe me i am the last one to run to the vet for minor things. Still we have shots and heartworm tests when it is necessary. VIctor must see a vet for an all clear for his therapy dog job once a year. I have had PEpper two years and she has been three times. First for her heartworm test and vaccinations. THe second for the growth that formed between her toes that was making her limp. THe third because i thought the growth was coming back since she was limping again on the same foot...but it was a joint injury that healed up on it's own. Mary went over a decade with no problems but as she aged things happen like the mole on her eyelid that was scratching the surface of her eye. I apologize to the OP. I thought I read no vet and that just made my heart sink to think animals were being treated that way.

    . I had a cat that went almost 17 years without a problem. HE made up for it with his first two years of life however. He had infection after infection but we got his immune system built up and after that for an indoor outdoor cat He was incredibly lucky.
     
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    MafiaPrincess Obvious trollsare Obvious

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    Except back on post 17 of that other thread.. he doesn't vet for even snake bites.. So the contradictions are endless. Seems not to vet for anything at all, as it's better for his gene pool. If a snake bite and a breech pup aren't emergencies I can't fathom what actually might count as one.

     
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    yeah see how they recover from them also mafia, and they avoid the others .

    please point out where he said he would not take a breech pup , for the life of me i can not find the post. got a post number or something, i remember vaguly him saying something about breech but cannot find out what
     
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    He didn't contradict himself... he said they recovered from snake bites so far, said the bites were from copperheads and said that they hadn't been bitten by a rattlesnake... then said that he would take them to a vet for a rattlesnake bite.

    Do a google on the use of copperhead antivenin in dogs... didn't seem to be highly recommended. In large dogs, the bites aren't often fatal and it isn't uncommon for dogs to have an allergic reaction to the antivenin and die.

    So a vet is going to look at the dog, maybe try and convince the owner to buy some antivenin, keep the dog (which is stressful for it), give it IV fluids and painkillers, and they wait... if the dog lives you get it back along with a huge bill, if it dies you get a phone call and a huge-er bill. So I guess the opinion of the OP is that if some IV is what is going to save the dog, it can't be very hardy.

    Rattlesnake bites are more severe and antivenin seems to be the usual course of action... and so they go to the vet.
     
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    Most folks that hunt with hounds, that I know of personally, learn how to start an IV themselves as it can save your dog's life if it gets injured out in the field. I don't know if the OP is one of these though.

    I also know folks who have had their vets show them how to put in stitches, since the faster it can get stitched together the less scarring, and faster the recovery time is. Also, if you do it immediately after the injury, they are still full of adrenalin and don't complain about being sewn together. For sighthounds whose skin tears easily this is an advantage since they are also sensitive to many of the anesthetics and painkillers used.
     
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    Neigbor's pointer died from a copperhead bite.
     
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    My Adel gave birth to 10 puppies

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    Yes, she is 3 years old now and I breed her for the first time. As I wrote earlier, my Saluki live outside a year around here, in Virginia climate. No problem with this, only benefits. They are ready to jump out of their pens and run at any moment, when I am ready. Adel gave birth to pups on July 3 and I know who will buy my puppies. Even while nursing the pups, she does not mind to run for five-ten minutes and even flash a rabbit! She eats 2-3 pounds of ground beef per day and the pups grow rapidly.

    Prior to giving birth, she cleaned inside the doghouse, leaving just bare plywood floor. Everything is going on naturally. No vets involved and I do not intervene, except handling the pups.
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    HE doesn't say however what he would do if things went wrong.
     
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    I believe hes refering to the birthing process..

    at least thats how I read it.
     
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    Lucky for us and our dogs, most snake bites do not involve much venom. In cases where there is a lot of envemonation, the dog is not likely to survive even with veterinary help.

    I know of a borzoi who was bitten on the nose, and his owner managed to save using the vet and a lot of antivenom. In the end, he survived the bite but it drove him insane. He had to be put down a year later because the brain damage was so severe, he was dangerous to be around.

    ETA: This was a rattlesnake bite.
     
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    Lots of vipers give dry bites...in fact they prefer too...venom is precious and why waste it when the teeth alone will do?


    In fact I've even seen my vipers give dry bites to PREY!


    They are stingy with the stuff
     

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