Best commercial dog food to you

Discussion in 'Dog Food and Recipes' started by Bulloxer01, May 30, 2005.

  1. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I currently feed my pit/boxer mix proplan chicken and rice formula which is very good for him. His coat is shiny hes ALWAYS energetic and it dosent just run through him like some other dog foods but ive been hearing on past dog food threads that it isnt good. :confused: So if you dont think its good could you tell me others? Or might i be too late to change his diet hes about 3 months old.
     
  2. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,125
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
  3. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    3,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    it's never too late to switch to a better diet! :)

    not taking special individual needs into consideration, my top pick are foods made by natura pet products,simply for the outstanding product quality, excellent business ethics and truth in advertising of this company.

    if you want to learn more about how to tell apart the good and bad foods, click on my signature. :)
     
  4. CreatureTeacher

    CreatureTeacher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,445
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    5
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    You're awesome Mordy. :)
     
  5. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yeah but is proplan chicken and rice formula THAT bad? It cost 30 dollars and my moms boyfriend which is a dog trainer says its top of the line. My mom also you can only get proplan at petsmart stores.
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2005
  6. CreatureTeacher

    CreatureTeacher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,445
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    5
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    Unfortunately, a high price doesn't mean high quality. ProPlan is a Purina product, and Purina is owned by the Nestle corporation, just as big and evil as corporations get. Companies like these could care less about the health of our animals. The key to corporate pet food is spend less, charge more. The profit is all they care about. Actual nutrition is the last thing they think of. Have your mom read this: http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm
     
  7. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So since it is owned by purina i isnt good for dogs? Just as it said in the article price dosent always indicate a good product but the price is often a good indicator of quality. It would be impossible for a company that sells a generic brand of dog food at $9.95 for a 40-lb. bag to use quality protein and grain in its food. The cost of purchasing quality ingredients would be much higher than the selling price.
     
  8. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Messages:
    94,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    3, Bimmer, GSDX (m); Kharma, Fila Brasileiro (f);
    Location:
    Where the selas blooms
    Home Page:
    They sell Pro Plan and Iams at WalMart here . . .
     
  9. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    3,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    yes it is. it's not a quality food, period.

    while price can be and indicator, ingredient quality is much, much more important. you can find poor quality foods at extremely high prices (just look at science diet), but most true high-end foods are in a similar price range to each other. and just because someone is a dog trainer doesn't mean they know a lot about dog nutrition - these are two completely unrelated fields.

    you can find purina products at many stores, including feed stores. if you are limited to brands available at petsmart, the best food they sell is the blue buffalo line, but in my opinion that is overpriced and there are less pricy high-end products on the market, but generally you will not find them at big chain stores, with the exception of natural balance, which is available at petco.

    in a nutshell, yes. i'm not aware of a single quality product on the market that is made by purina.

    i think you misunderstood that a little. there are many poor quality products on the market that are more expensive than true high quality products - science diet is a good example for that scenario. however, to come back to pro plan, it's made from second rate ingredients and contains only around 14-22% meat, why would you want to feed something like that to a dog, who is a meat eater by nature?
     
  10. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i posted that straight form the article
     
  11. juliefurry

    juliefurry Rusty but Trusty

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2005
    Messages:
    6,209
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    United States
    I use Eagle Pack for my pups and Innova for my adult husky. I used Nutro natural choice for a few days but felt bad because people here told me it was not good for them. So I returned the unused portion of the bad and switched them back to Eagle Pack and Innova. I might spend more and have to drive longer to get it but it's worth it, I think, in the long run.
     
  12. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    3,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    bulloxer, i know that.

    that still doesn't mean that a company can't sell a poor quality product for an inflated price - and many do!
     
  13. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    and i get that many do but a dog food that is produced by one specific company does not make it un healthy. That and the sole fact that a trainer would know what a dog should eat so that it stays healthy and get proper utrition. I havent met too many trainers who know alot on how to train dogs but know nothing on what dog food would be best. also i asked my vet and 4 others about what they think about proplan and said they HIGHLY reccomend it.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2005
  14. Bulloxer01

    Bulloxer01 New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Each PRO PLAN formula contains a scientifically calculated protein to fat ratio to meet the energy requirements of the life-stage, or lifestyle, of your pet. This helps maintain lean muscle mass, without excess body fat - for a long, lean and healthy life. Also i dont know why but boxers or dogs mixed with boxers have great results from this food. (my dog is pit/boxer)
     
  15. showpug

    showpug New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    5,218
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    3 pugs and a bulldog
    Location:
    Oregon
    :confused: Vets should be last on your list for someone to take a food recommendation from. Hate to say it, but I worked for a vet for almost 5 years. The foods he recommened were foods that put $ in his back pocket and that is all there was to it. The food companies were the one's that would educate the vets on nutrition - you would think it should be the other way around. Trust me....your dog will do better on a higher quality food like Innova or Canidae. I can tell you want what is best for your dog so give it a try, you won't be sorry!! :)
     
  16. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,125
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Many vets are educated by companies like Purina. They get it into their minds that it is a healthy food. And many vets only recommend it because they can sell it and make a fortune offa people. Other veterinarians do their own research (like my vet).
     
  17. CreatureTeacher

    CreatureTeacher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,445
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    5
    Location:
    Denver, CO
     
  18. CreatureTeacher

    CreatureTeacher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,445
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    5
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    Check out Mordy's website. She knows more about dog food and nutrition than I could ever hope to. She won't steer you wrong. And don't take it personally that Purina doesn't make healthy food. You can only learn when you ask questions! :)
     
  19. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    3,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    well, there is the small but important fact that purina doesn't make a single high quality food tho. there are some companies that make "budget" foods that don't measure up to their higher end products, but purina doesn't even carry what i would consider a high end line. the company is owned by the food giant nestle and makes a huge profit from including the byproducts and offal from human food production in their cat and dog food.

    i'd hardly make that an automatic assumption. sadly there are still too many trainers out there who recommend poor quality foods like purina, science diet, nutro and so on. they believe what the pet food companies tell them but generally do little research on their own, unless they take a special interest for one reason or another. my obedience instructor for example is a great woman and knows a lot about how to teach dogs just about anything from obedience to herding sheep, but she still recommends pupperoni and other similar junk treats for use in classes.

    of course they do. purina and hill's (the maker of science diet) are the biggest sponsors of nutrition courses at vet schools and sponsor a lot of nutritional research. personally i see this as a conflict of interest - similar to what the situation would be if mcdonalds, pizza hut or taco bell sponsored the nutritional education of doctors and research on nutrition in the human field.

    scientifically calculated formulations to allow for the maximum profit margin at the lowest cost. brewer's rice instead of whole grain rice, poultry byproduct meal and corn gluten meal instead of a meat meal that is digestible enough to not need a gluten booster to make up on protein content, corn split up into whole grain corn, corn gluten meal and corn bran in order to disguise the higher content of corn than the advertised rice (that isn't even whole rice), egg product instead of fresh, whole eggs, the list goes on. not to forget that all these ingredients are feed grade, not high quality.

    and all that at a higher price than several brands of high-end foods from human grade ingredients. you can get a 40 lb bag of canidae for around $35 for example and don't have all kinds of unnecessary chemicals and stabilizers going into your dog.

    as emma said, this isn't personal. we all want to do the best we can for our dogs, which is the main reason i started researching commercial foods four years ago. :)
     

Share This Page