Oh yes...I know what is the norm, hear about it and understand why that could efinitely be a problem. Like I said, he wasn't Mr. Perfect in agility but he was fairly fast and knew what to do....learned quickly. We also hiked every day in the woods and he was encouraged to "go run" and zip ahead and do his own thing, just as long as he would check in and come when called, which he did. But maybe that practice where we'd have a controlled obedience practice...heel and stay and all that, and in the same day, running like a lunatic through the woods, leaping over logs and creeks helped him not get stuck in one mind set. We started obedience at home when he was just a wee one. (well, he was never a wee one) LOL. And started puppy agility at around 6 months. He went to puppy kindergarten soon after I got him, after 2 sets of shots, and another obedience class, then we did a little obedience after agility class with other dogs around when he was older and able to do big-boy agility. lol. The trainer wanted to practice her young dog with other dogs around and offerered the obedience no charge. That was a fun time. I miss my Lyric boy.