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  1. smkie

    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    at the off leash park..can i rant a little? there are certain people that just don't get it..when you let your dog chase after everybody's ball..no one can do anything..and then you have to chase that dog down to get your ball back while the owner sits on their can watching the show. Many people are working their dogs at the same time on the beach, and most dogs are very polite about whose toy is whose. Geez..my friend had a friend's dog with her that is way overweight, but doing much better. He took a real liking to my dog's toy so we were trying to toss it a few feet in the water, a little more each time, but oh no..here comes trouble for the one millionth time. Finally i took hold of the manners offender and just held on to the dog while my friend's dog actually waddled out there a few times building up confidence with each retrieve. then and only then did the owner think it was time to go..guess they didn't like me confining their dog :rolleyes: after that two big mastiffs came down and decided that Victor looked a little like prey. Now he usually can outrun anything coming and going but these brutes were pinning him between him and i saw him getting actually afraid so sigh...we had to leave. We spent quite a bit of time up in the grassland area where there were lots of things to sniff run after, and dogs with decent manners to play with. My friend made me another movie, but i don't have the disc yet to edit (i am going to attempt this time) so that was our week's outing. I am afraid Mary's days of the dog park are closing. She limped badly when we got home and had to have a bit of help out of the car. We are all beat. Since there was some energetic rolling by all parties of our pack (my friend had four with her ) we got the glory of washing all six when we got home. Maybe i am glad i only do this once a week instead of daily.
     
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    Smkie, thats too bad your fun day was intruded upon by dog owners who don't know manners. Its just like people with little kids, who think their kid is so CUTE that everyone just has to be in love with it - whether its crying in a movie or throwing food in a restuarant. :rolleyes:
     
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    I guess you have to look for somewhere else to go. The nerve of some people! GRrrrrr. That would bug me too. But it's probably the same everywhere, isn't it? I don't know...have only been to a dog park once when I was visiting my sister. We were the only ones there and one Corgi. This was when Lyric was small and he and that dog played and the owner thought that was fine.

    Well...sorry that wrecked your time.
     
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    As soon as you bring a ball to a dog park its no longer yours... If you want your dog exlusively go after the ball and no one else, dont come to dog park go to a field.

    I dont know, that thing about you taking someone elses dog and holding it... You have no right to do that, Im surprised that the owner didnt say/do anything "nice" to you for your manners. If my dog wants to run after your ball, then so be it, and you actually touch my dog with intent to restrain him so that your dog can get the ball, would make me extremely pissed off.

    As far as mastifs, all kinds of "bright" dogs come to dog parks. In these cases, I usually forced the people with bad dogs to get out.
     
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    I don't know how you would manage to force someone out of a dog park, but I do agree that taking a ball and expecting all the other dogs to ignore it isn't really credible. I always take two. May is faster than any dog we have met as yet, but if a dog is closer and reaches the ball before her she won't try and get it back. It can get really annoying though. The "warlock" doberman at my park is a notorious ball stealer and he can fit three in his mouth at once, thereby pissing off at least three people!
    Also, once he has them he tends to run off to the corner and crack them all in half, then run around the feild, spitting out the remains. He's like a lab on speed.
     
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    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    i don't care if they get the ball a few times, but when that many people's fun is being wrecked by a person that sits on their fanny and doen'st even get up to throw one one time..i would have given her one to keep her dog occupied, then yeah, i consider it horrible manners. and so does everyone else. I have been going to this dog park for a year now and have never experienced any one that has not handed the ball back to you when their dog mistakenly picked it up..usually they just toss it to you and go back to engaging their own dog. If you do not do that orion, then you are one of the bad manners people. I do not force anybody to do anything, if they do not have the grace to to correct a behavior, the park is 55 acres we go somewhere else..forcing is gross.
    the whole point is that this person expected everyone else to engage her dog in activity at the cost of not being able to engage their own, she was perfectly willing to come get her own dog out of our faces..this was not a one time occurance, we waited over an hour for her to leave.
     
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    i'm with you smkie on this

    we dont have dog parks here but I frequently encounter lazy owners who let their dogs spoil others time...

    why didn't the owner entertain his dog or play fetch with him or something instead of sitting on his a$$ and letting it bug you and your group? that is just rude, plain and simple - like parents letting a kid run riot in a theatre or resturant as said above

    it might have been interesting to shout to the owner "can you call your dog away" -- wonder what he'd have said?

    Some people seem to like to cause trouble- through ignorance or otherwise :rolleyes:
     
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    He would have probably told her to go """"" off because it is an leash-free dog park. And he would be completely right.
     
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    I'm with you on this Smkie. The other dog's owner could have attempted to entertain her own dog in her space and allow you to be able to entertain your dog in your space. Yes, sometimes it's hard to expect a dog to not go after a ball it sees flying across the grass, but an attempt to call the dog over to her, get the ball away and give it back to you....distract it into playing with HER would have been more polite. (that is.....in our society)
     
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    I always thought people brought dogs to dog parks to entertain themselves with other dogs...



    If someone wanted to play/interact/entertain their own dog they would do it outside of dog park...

    If your dog has such hard time competing for the ball, then just leave and play somewhere else. Its not like your dog is actually playing with other dogs.... (directed at original poster)
     
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    other people should really be more careful witht their dogs, if your dog is a problem, or will/can be. Walk it on a leash
     
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    If you dont like dogs coming up to you or your dog... dont come to OFF-LEASH dog park...
     
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    You can control your dog, you can control your dogs toys, you can take care of your own dog, but you cant pick your friends dogs.Or any body elses dogs!
     
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    geez Orion, your not getting the point. I bring several, i play with many people's dog, did you see my video of our park, this is the best park in the state as far as i am concerned and there is no other place where you can take your dog to water that is not full of broken bottles trash and fish hooks. I have been working water dogs for most of my life. I spent 20 YEARS working and managing a kennel for Labradors and golden retrievers that were bred not for show, but for field trials. AN off leash park doesn't mean that if you have a dog that has no manners, and you wish to sit on your can for over an hour ruining the fun of EVERYONE in the beach you have the right to be there. It is considered very bad manners..if you cannot control your dog, or your dog is aggressive and you are wanting to socialize to correct this behavior then you should be with a leash and active in your dog's training. There are many many labradors and pointers that frequent this beach on a daily basis for training. My labrador Charlie once ran a fish hook up his leg that took 80 stitches at a near by lake, and broken bottles are everywhere but here. This is a place where i have found rescue people by the droves, people that are there specifically to train or exhaust thier high energy but friendly dogs..it is a very special place in my heart. To sit on a bench and watch frustrated owners turn and look at you while no one can do anything, to not be able to throw a bumber two feet in front of you to teach a very fat dog that is incredibly interested in learning no matter how far away you move, (it is a very long beach) is rude. Like i posted before, other dogs have scooped up Victor's red rubber ball, i use it because it is his favorite and he knows it is HIS SO HE DOESN"T DISTURB THE OTHER DOGS THAT ARE USING THEIR FAVORITES AND KNOW THAT IS THE ONE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO GO AFTER SO EVERYBODY CAN WORK THEIR DOGS AT THE SAME TIME! Until you have been there maybe you just don't know how it works. here is the site as an example, you can see that more then one dog is working in the water...and just how nice they are to each other. http://www.ourmedia.org/node/22496 the whole point is that this owner expected everyone else to deal with her animal instead of her. and even when aggravation was shown by more then one person, she still did nothing especially get UP and play with her own dog. If you think that is proper behavior for an adult at an off leash park, then you are sadly mistaken and i hope that you do not conduct yourself the same way.
    i just watched my video again, Mary is refusing to pick up her bumper because my friend is there with treats and Mary is on a diet so her mind is on one thing and only that..in the mean time my friend's dog that has never retreived before has gone out and picked up Mary's "bird" ..a very big deal. THe one reason i curtailed this one dog while we were getting the fat dog to learn to retreive was because the situation was hopeless and the lesson about to be learned would be very beneficial to this dog..if we could get him out there swimming nothing would be better in the whole wide world for his health and my friend was there with a digital camera to film and could capture the dog doing this..which would inspire the owner more not to mention please her to no end. She is on a trip with her husband that has a serious brain illness and is going to die. Her life is incredibly hard and we really wanted to be able to share this with her..if i hadn't held that dog's collar for the very few minutes it took to obtain this, we wouldn't have been able to teach the dog, nor share this with the owner. IF it meant annoying the owner on the bench, so what. You are the one that said you would force a human out of the dog park, by what means i have no idea, but what i did was neither improper nor rude. THe dog was in my face and would not leave no matter what we did, i did not harm it in any way. I also gave the bumber to my friend to use for this dog for the rest of their stay together and then to be given to the owner since the dog seemed to like it so much.
     
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    We havent been in a dog park in a year or so... Even then my dog rarely wants to do anything with other dogs and just runs around minding his own business.

    The point is, you cant tell people what to do with their dogs in a public dog park if they are not breaking any rules.

    If the dog was attacking your dog, then I agree, take control of it and tell the owner to take care of the dog. As far as I know, stealing rubber balls is not against the rules of dog park...
     
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    didn't say breaking rules, said bad manners. point...was If you had been u would understand more clearly. There were about a dozen people in a muddle because of one animal. No one could do anything without this dog zipping in and riuning everyones, not just my dog's fun. I think you are just wanting to argue so i am not going to debate the point anymore. Just wanted to let my friends know about our experience at the dog park this weekend because it was a first for me. I never saw anyone act quite like this before.
     
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    Smkie is right. Oriondw is wrong.
     
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    Sorry, Orion, gotta disagree with you to a certain extent on this one. If a dog is taken to a dog park, especially an off leash park, the owner is expected to have enough manners to return toys - and to keep tabs on their own dog and their dog's manners - it's not a place for an owner to sit on their butt and just let things happen. If a dog doesn't have reliable recall and good obedience it shouldn't be there, and if an owner hasn't been decently socialized they certainly don't belong there. A dog park is a place where someone without a reasonable size fenced yard should be able to allow their dog to run but still maintain control over their own dog's behaviour, and others at the dog park should be doing the same. If an owner isn't controlling their dog and it's being a nuisance or even a menace, they've got no room to squawk if someone else has to restrain it - just like you'd step in if you saw one kid bullying or being destructive and his parents just sitting and watching and not stepping in. As the owner of big dogs I would never allow mine to intimidate a dog like Victor who wasn't being a brat. Actually, Shiva and Kharma have enough manners not to be bullies and I'm very proud of them for that.
     

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