Aussies vs. Border Collies

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  1. misfitz

    misfitz Ruddy Buttinski

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    How are they alike/different? I'm thinking about one as my next dog (not for a few years yet) and am interested in the differences in their personalities. I've met a few BC's, and many of the trainers in my obedience club have Aussies, so I'm getting to know Aussies fairly well.

    From my experience it seems that BCs are more intense and serious, and Aussies have more of a sense of humor, if that makes sense. But the Aussies I've met seem a bit harder than BC's - more like ACD's in a way. What do you think? How do they compare on drive, bidability, quirkiness?

    With my next dog I want to do obedience and tracking, maybe agility (I'm gonna need a lot more free time LOL).
     
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    I have aussies and have alot of friends with borders..The difference I see is what you said, my aussies tend to have a sense of humor:) Sometimes not appreciated but you can still laugh at their antics:)

    My male is out of working lines and is more serious / more border collie-ish, when he focus's on something, he focus's on it, my female is more out of show lines, with alot of HOF's in her ped, and less serious, she seems to always have a smile on her face.

    Biddability, well, I have gsd's to, and the difference I see is, the gsd's do things for "me", the aussies will to an extent but want to know what's in it for 'them' (aka food is a high motivator!)

    My female is a softer dog than my male, but again pedigree could come into play there.

    I like that they tend to be a healthy breed (atleast mine are:) live longer lives, mine are now 12 & 11, and still race around like little maniacs:) I did agility with my female for a time, she wasn't 'into' it as much as my gsd's, so switched to other things.

    I like BC's, but the aussies just seemed a better fit for me. The BC's I know, tend to be obsessive/and frankly, their thought process was to far ahead of mine:)))

    There is so much diveristy in each breed, finding a breeder than can peg their puppies for YOUR needs/lifestyle is paramount.
     
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    I would say it would depend on the lines of the dogs you're looking at. I've seen some very soft aussies and some hard border collies, and all size ranges in both. I'd guess aussies from the show lines are going to be a bigger dog as a rule.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I have not owned either but one of my trainers has aussies (working lines) and the other has border collies (working lines).

    Aussies are more of a generalist whereas BCs are a more specialized dog. Aussies thus have a more guardian type dog streak to them. Aussies also herd upright, BCs have the 'eye'. And whereas BCs were originally bred to herd sheep, Aussies were cow dogs from the get go. Of course there are cattle lines in BCs now too.

    In sports BCs dominate and with reason, imo. They're generally lighter and more agile. Aussies in my experience vary a lot on how well they do in something like agility. A lot are just so big and very heavy boned. Jumping style is very different with Aussies tending to go vertically and BCs tend to jump very flat. Both breeds are very versatile. You see a LOT of aussie breeders focusing on obedience instead of agility. Oh and Aussies often tend to run with their mouths open. ;)

    I think both breeds are great for the average person wanting to play in dog sports. Very versatile breeds that can and should be able to pick up anything.

    As far as how serious or goofy or social they are, it depends on the individual. I've been around quite a few working style aussies and while they are bouncy and playful, they know when to be serious.

    I like both breeds a lot and hope to own both.
     
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    Generally: border collies are more serious, aussies are more playful/bouncy, aussies tend to be slightly more protective, although BCs aren't like labs or pits with strangers, either. Both are high energy breeds, but from my experience BCs are more prone to OCD or anxiety issues if not given all the exercise they need, where an aussie would just get kind of obnoxious and wild like most under-stimulated pets. The aussies I've known have been less DA/DR than the border collies but that's not a major issue in either breed. Both are very biddable but in different ways. Border collies are slightly more intelligent (Ie capable of getting into trouble) but aussies aren't far behind.

    Keep in mind I've never owned either, this is just from day care/grooming and working with friend's dogs.

    My best comparison between the two are my best friend, who had a BC and now an aussie. The BC was from a working farm, and came to live in the suburbs with a family with limited dog experience. She was INCREDIBLY intelligent, learned hundreds of tricks, loved her family, but also had major issues...chewed through the laundry room wall during a storm (fear of thunder), was hardcore (aggressively) protective of her personal space such as under the table or bed or her crate, chewed her own feet when she got anxious, did not get along with other dogs (poorly socialized).

    Their aussie now is from a show breeder, and she's pretty watered down. She's still a high energy dog (was worse as a puppy) with a good herding instinct, but loves everyone, and is not NEARLY as smart as Norma (the BC) was. Trainable, sure, intelligent, yes, and biddable, but she's not about to solve a murder mystery.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Aussies never take anything seriously, and to a Border Collie nothing is a joke.

    Or something. Obviously a general rule, lol, but it makes me laugh. :D
     
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    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    Border collies stalk/slink..Aussies bounce.
    lol in both their physical attributes and their personalities, I find this to be true.

    That said, there is way too much variation in breed type to REALLY answer this question.
    Generally..

    BORDER COLLIE:
    "The Border Collie is energetic, intelligent, keen, alert, and responsive. An intense worker of great tractability, it is affectionate towards friends but may be sensibly reserved towards strangers. When approached, the Border Collie should stand its ground. It should be alert and interested, never showing fear, dullness or resentment. Any tendencies toward viciousness, nervousness or shyness are very serious faults.

    The dog's temperament must be sensitive enough to bend its will when asked, tough enough to stand up to the pressures of training, eager to learn, with enough confidence and determination to carry on with its work without constant guidance. Some Border Collies are reserved rather than outgoing, but they must love to work with and for the master."

    AUSSIE: The Australian Shepherd is primarily a working dog of strong herding and guardian instincts. He is an intelligent, exceptional companion. He is versatile and easily trained: performing his assigned tasks with great style and enthusiasm. He is reserved with strangers but does not exhibit shyness.
    This unusually versatile stockdog works upright and close, with the power and quickness to control difficult cattle as well as the ability to move sheep without unnecessary roughness. Although an aggressive, authoritative worker, viciousness toward people or animals is intolerable

    However, Aussies are perfect for people wishing to own a highly trainable, versatile, super-smart dog that can work/play "till the cows come home". If you have the time and commitment for an Aussie, you won't be disappointed. These special dogs deserve special owners. Their loyalty, drive, character, and whimsical sense of humor place them in a class by themselves.
     
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    ^this. :p

    However, when I get a toy out for my BC (working bred) he bounces. Really cute. lol

    Aussie and Borders have similar traits, that I think if you're looking at one or the other, you really can't go wrong with either.
     
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    And Aussies can be huge stubborn buttheads, border collies trip over themselves to please you.

    Oh and Aussies have no tail an their bunny butts freak me out. :p

    I do love my clients Aussies though, seriously fun dogs even if they an be silly and stubborn at times.
     
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    Unless the BC decides your method is Wrong and then you will never hear the end of it ;)

    Also working BCs at least tend to be very literal. They take the rulebook very seriously and lord help you if you deviate from it without a discussion first.

    Or, as one of the BCs I run in agility once put it:
    Even though I know you and we are running toward the table and there are no other options YOU said the word "Up" but MY word is "Table" so I am gonna spin and b**** you out for YOUR mistake to make sure YOU don't do it ever again and THEN I will get pn the table (hope you enjoy that R you totally deserved) and eye you suspicously because clearly you are an untrustworthy rebel who makes up words that aren't real words so you better get your act together for the rest of this course, human.

    Love that dog. But there is a reason BCs are referred to as Handler Mistake Amplifiers lol. Honest to a fault.
     
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    misfitz Ruddy Buttinski

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    I've noticed this, too. In fact, I never even considered aussies until I met several obedience aussies and they are so different from the giant, fluffy show/pet aussies I had known before.

    With BC's it seems like the American show lines are smaller than the working or sport lines. I imagine the show BCs are less drivey and focused than working lines as well. I need to meet more border collies!
     
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    misfitz Ruddy Buttinski

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    Yeah, I might end up doing that myself!
     
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    LOL. Very interesting, thanks. I know nothing about show lines BC's but want to look into those...a slightly watered-down BC might be a good fit for me. That's kind of what Sienna is in a way.

    :D My parents have a tailless ACD (I guess technically she's a Stumpy Tailed Cattle Dog) and I know what you mean. Her bunny tail is adorable, but I love Sienna's plume, even if I don't love brushing it. I would miss a fluffy tail. Then again, it wouldn't be knocking things over wagging LOL.

    I'd definitely choose the "tripping over themselves to please me" dog. But I also love a dog with a sense of humor. And I'd love a dog with a bit more confidence than Sienna - I love her, but sometimes I wish she would talk back at me instead of getting her feelings hurt and sulking. She's definitely part Sheltie. :)

    LOL @ "Handler Mistake Amplifier"

    You know, this researching a breed thing is really fun. More people should do this before they get a dog! And no, I didn't research at all when I rescued my shelter mutt. :rolleyes: Just got lucky.
     
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    Working bred Aussies can be plenty intense and drivey for sure. And some are actually pretty small (large "mini" size)/fine boned.

    From what I have seen, the sport lines often include both working and show lines in their pedigrees. I know several people with sport bred BCs who also show in conformation. There are some tiny, tiny sport bred BCs out there. One of our classmates has one that I think is smaller than Savvy (really cute!).
     
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    I train with two CP dogs that are teeny, I really love them.
     
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    This made me laugh so hard because it is SO Quinn!
     
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    How would they bark with their mouths closed???

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    Mine is from show lines, but she seems to have the temperament of a working line dog. Her coat is thin, her frame is slight, and her energy is boundless. She's wonderfully biddable - it wouldn't occur to me in a million years to describe her as stubborn. She's resilient, recovers quickly from stressful events, and is always ready to repeat a sequence just one more time while I try hard not to trip over my feet. She's very forgiving of my mistakes.

    She's mildly reactive and nervous around strange dogs, but when she's working you would never know.

    And she barks. A lot.
     
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    It's struck me that a good Aussie is very much like an old fashioned German Shepherd in many ways, and I do love their skewed sense of humor ;)

    But even with their sense of humor they have an almost crushing sense of responsibility.
     

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