Artificial Insemination Question

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  1. Linds

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    Well, really more like a friend of mine has an opportunity with one of her dogs and she asked if I knew anyone who had any experience with it or knew anything about it. I do not but was curious if anyone on the board does.

    Since I know nothing about it I don't even know what questions to ask other than some good resources for her
     
  2. Kat09Tails

    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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    Ive researched it. What are you wondering? A repro vet would be a huge help.
     
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    Second the repo vet, I recently have befriended and started using one and oh my he's helpful.
     
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    We do them at work all the freaking time.
     
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    A good repro vet is invaluable. Is she going with frozen or fresh collected? If frozen, she should have her dog surgically inseminated. In the words of our repro vet (the best in the west), "You might as well throw it down the drain otherwise."

    Since she got Kaia pregnant with 9 puppies on 10 year old semen that was only 30% viable AND saved my dog's life, I'm going with what she says. :cool:
     
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    A good Repo vets is worth their weight in gold. She should be able to call and ask them.
     
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    i know nothing of it, other than one of my dogs is a pupsicle from a stud that died in January of 1998 and the repro vet they used was pretty good. I could get you the contact for them if you'd like, but other than that i know nothing :)
     
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    Random question, what's the likely hood that semen could be shipped half way around the world and still be viable?
     
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    I'm guessing it's as reliable as your carrier service? Also, expensive! I have a girlfriend who's done frozen several times for breeding her girls and pulling from her male, $$$$.
     
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    Yeah the pup I'm bringing home next month was born from semen frozen in the 90s...good repro vets are key. SaraB, the vet they used is in the Twin Cities area IIRC.

    And agree w/ regard to carrier service. We shipped in cooled semen from all over for the horses and had good success as long as the vet was on top of monitoring ovulation, etc., and the semen was handled well. Shipping in extreme weather conditions never seemed to work as well but whether the extreme weather was affecting the mare, the semen, or both...
     
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    Ya, we have one of the best repo vets around. Classic's breeder uses them a lot and so do a lot of Dane breeders.
     
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    MafiaPrincess Obvious trollsare Obvious

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    Agree with Shai. I've read too many AI horse nightmares, vet asking for semen, semen being shipped badly, semen not viable in the end. Poor repo vets asking for semen at inappropriate times..

    Research a great repo vet, not all are equal.
     
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    If it's coming from Australia, it should be frozen and you should budget for surgical AI and progesterone testing. Kaia's repro vet mentioned that all of the frozen semen she's handled from Oz has always had a viability of over 60%, and said that their collection and storage facilities must be really top notch compared to some of storage places here in the states.

    Kaia's breeder did a litter with imported semen from australia recently, and they got 10 puppies out of it. That was surgical ai too, using an older bitch and with old semen.
     
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    Wooooo! I'm just excited it's a possibility. I haven't looked into it at all because obviously all breeding plans are YEARS away, but I have been asked a few times if we are going to import semen since there are so few studs in the states.
     
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    Definitely allows for much broader options... :)
     
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    I agree with Romy about surgical for frozen, needing a good repro vet and going with frozen if it's being shipped from far away. I have known a lot of non-surgical frozen semen AIs to fail and those were done by the leading canine repro vet in..well, pretty much the whole world. The surgicals I've known seem to produce puppies pretty consistently though.
     
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    Why is surgery required for AI in dogs? Also, is there no sure-fire way to KNOW that the bitch is ovulating consistently with decent follicles? Jesus. Exactly how primitive IS dog breeding?

    Generally speaking, freezing/cooling and shipping semen shouldn't be all that hard. At all.
     
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    Shoot, horse semen goes all over the globe. I spent two summer doing collections/processing/shipping several times a week with fresh cooled, dealt with frozen for my senior research project in college, and have seen lots of horses inseminated artificially with both frozen and fresh. While it is still required to do live coverings for Jockey Club, I'd be shocked if many were doing live with warmbloods. AI is sort of the norm at this point.

    Now granted, I know far less about impregnating a dog, but unless it is 100x more complicated than with horses, I wouldn't think it would be all that difficult. I'd actually have guessed it was easier - don't dogs ovulate multiple times over a period of time? That was my understanding behind the multiple father litters. The tough part with frozen on a mare is that the frozen semen, once thawed, generally lives a fair bit less time than fresh cooled, so you have to make sure it is in there at the right time, rather than having the larger window fresh gives you.

    That could be the most useless information ever if dogs don't get pregnant the way I think they do. Ah well. It is typed out.
     
  19. Shai

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    My understanding is that with dogs the mechanics of the tie in a live cover breeding also helps move the sperm into the uterus where it fertilizes the eggs. In an AI breeding there is no tie obviously, so that mechanism is somewhat compromised. In addition frozen sperm has pretty short life once thawed so the timetable to get it to the uterus before it's no longer viable is truncated...to get around that they do the surgery to deposit the frozen/thawed sperm directly in the uterus.

    For side-by-side AIs, breeders may collect from the male and deposit directly into the female's vaginal opening and simulate a tie...a person I know did that method because she has a breed for whom natural breeding is difficult. Right or wrong that's another way to go about it, but it's apparently less effective even with fresh sperm.

    Not a repro vet and much more experienced with horse AI than dogs so take that as you will.
     
  20. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Um, WHAT?
     

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