We hear all the time, when discussing training and analyzing canines about the pack drive. We compare constantly our relationship with them, in terms of the social order of a pack. We tend to compare ourselves to an alpha wolf or dog, and our dogs as under us in the heirarchy. Those of us with multiple dogs observe a sort of organization between them. We wonder what we should do in certain situations. Should we inflict human ways of doing things on them and expect them to understand all that we do, or should we try to match their ways so they can better understand us? It seems they are definitely capable of understanding many of our ways, otherwise, they wouldn't have become domesticated. But what about the things they don't understand? Our language, our body language, our perception, our senses are all so different. What I wonder...actually, what I have my doubts about is: Are we really considered part of their pack? Are we looked upon as a wolf or dog in their eyes? I don't think so. I don't think it's possible for two different species to belong to the same pack. They never do in the wild. But, what is it that's going on? My half baked conclusion, based on my observations and long time ownership of dogs, some reading and right now, having multiple dogs...is that they seem to be a pack within a pack. (so to speak.) I am the head of the household and ultimately make the rules which they all respect. (eh-hem...for the most part. )BUT.... they also seem to have their own, private communication, organization, ways of doing things and their own space...that I feel no human being can fully understand or completely enter into that space. I respect that space as long as it doesn't interfer with the running of the whole scheme. Because of our different nature and instincts....and that we are different species, how can we REALLY be a total pack? I do consider it a family or group, but there is some disorganization under the surface which makes me reconsider that idea that dogs and humans form a pack. Or is this merely a case of definition of terms? LOL. What do you think?