Are these people for real?

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by LilahRoot, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. stafinois

    stafinois Professional Nerd

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    Stan got his rabies vaccine when he was 3-4 months old. Then he got bigger!! Is that a side effect, too?
     
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    I would be interested in serious studies done to see if there is a causation between the vaccines. I do believe with some behaviors it is plausible, but there has not been enough research done to say for sure. I believe the vaccine might exasperate underlying issues.

    With Skye, I did the rabies vax one year and she immediately (within a day or two) started with a little hair loss around her eyes. They were a bit swollen and watery. It took probably a month to go away. The next year I had to do another rabies jab...same thing, except it hasn't really gone away but gets better and worse. I've just been told it's allergies. Now I did do the vax in March each year (Springtime, stuff is starting to bloom, causes allergies) so who knows.

    A few days after rabies vax for Zoie one year in particular, her lyme disease flared up majorly. It didn't happen the next year.
     
  3. Oko

    Oko Silence, peasants.

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    Gawd, I feel so all over the place on this issue. I don't believe the extremist viewpoint, but ehhh over-vaccination is scary. It honestly gives me a headache to think about. I'm planning on minimal vaccinations.

    I've never been vaccinated for anything. 2 of my older siblings had severe reactions to vaccines, and from then on in all five of us were not vaccinated. Not sure what the laws are in other places, but here in Massachusetts you can opt out for 'religious' reasons. We're, uh, the least religious people ever, but I didn't say that. :rolleyes:
     
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    This people spreading panic and misinformation about vaccines are benefiting very much by the fact that the majority of the population DOES get vaccinations. Herd immunity is a wonderful thing.
     
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    I haven't read the entire thread, but this was my first thought after reading the article.
     
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    A vaccine challenges the immune system, so it can certainly trigger immune system-type issues. ie; an allergy flare up, or flare up of an existing condition. This is why a pet should not be vaccinated when it is sick. The rabies vaccine does seem to cause more issues than some. OTOH, the disease it prevents is a particularly deadly one, and is a health risk to humans, so I'm not personally willing to gamble with it. My dogs are vaccinated for rabies. (also for distemper and parvo)

    I had a dog have a mild reaction to the rabies once. And I was disgruntled about it, because he hadn't needed that vaccine. The year before, I'd taken him to a cheap veterinary chain to get his rabies, because I was low on cash, and didn't want to skip it. They vaccinated him, I went and paid, they handed me the certificate, and it was only good for a year. Which is wrong, he was an adult dog who had been vaccinated before, it should have been good for 3 years. I figured it was too late to do anything, but the next year when I had to get him a gratuitous rabies vaccine to stay legal, I went to my usual vet and paid the extra $50 or whatever it was. Anyway, we went to an agility trial the next day, and he couldn't run. Poor guy didn't feel good. He was okay the next day, but I've always kept it in mind since then that the rabies vaccine is a toughie.
     
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    If the vaccine they used was labeled for 1 year, they legally CANNOT say it's good for 3 years, even if in reality the immunity lasts for 3 years (or longer). It's a good idea to specify you want a 3 year vaccine and confirm that's that the dog is getting before the dog gets stuck with the needle. It sucks that it happened that way, though :(
     
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    It's the same vaccine. All you probably would have had to do was bring in the paperwork showing his last rabies vaccination and they would have changed the paperwork to a 3 year. I've done it multiple times with multiple dogs, there's no issue other than documentation and if there's a break in the paper trail, they will only issue a year long license
     
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    I know they're the same vaccine. But if the package states "1 year" there's legally nothing they can do to make it a 3 year. We ONLY use the 3 year vaccines at work, even if it's the dog's first vaccine, because we don't want to deal with that crap.
     
  10. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    Yes. :( It's called rabies giganticism. 100% of dogs given the rabies vaccine before 12 months of age will get taller or heavier after being vaccinated. :( :( :(

    But I'm guessing he already suffers from high prey drive and obsessive tendencies. Poor Stan. :D
     
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    I didn't know they actually bothered with 2 different vials. I thought they were all the same, just the paperwork mattered. After a few dogs, a few states and a few vets, I 've never encountered any problems other than a break in the paper trail. Even had a few one years get changed to 3 years when proper paperwork was submitted
     
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    You hit it right on the nose. ****. I heard most cases were fatal within sixteen years :'(
     
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    Same vaccine, just depends on how they write up the paperwork. The doctor's assistant also gave the vaccine before the vet did the exam which is probably not legal. Unless they've changed things since I worked for a vet (which was admittedly, quite a while ago, but I don't think they have), in this state, only a vet is allowed to give a rabies vaccine.

    The dog wasn't licensed, so it wasn't an issue of buying his license, I just wanted him to be legally covered with a rabies vaccine.
     
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    I think in every state the vaccine must be given by a veterinarian, so nope, that wasn't legal either. Obviously they totally know what they're doing :rofl1:
     
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    OwnedByBCs Will Creep For Sheep

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    While I feel the original article is a little over the top, a friend of my sister's has spent over $17,000 treating her dog after a very severe rabies vaccine reaction. Seizures, incontinence... its horrible. She is showing some new symptoms now and its life threatening. She went to the vaccine company, who offered her $1,000 *if* she would keep her mouth shut about the reaction.

    http://championofmyheart.com/

    I have only vaccinated Wesley and Riot once, because there was a parvo outbreak. I didn't do their puppy shots and they most likely won't get vaccinated again. Wesley's sister was vaccinated in exactly the suggested protocol, and almost died of Parvo.

    Part of my aversion to vaccines is because I have had two very serious vaccine reactions- first a penicillin shot in my lower back which caused my entire back to be bruised, my heart rate to skyrocket. I am also horribly allergic to flu vaccines, and the worst reaction I ever had was going into shock (not fun). I have never actually gotten the flu (I thought I had this week, but it turns out it was the stomach flu which is a different virus).

    I understand why people are cautious and get vaccines, I really do. I just don't do it for my dogs because I feel it is too risky.
     
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    That sucks about the penicillin, but it's an antibiotic, not a vaccine.

    There's a chance that any injection, drug, or chemical could provoke a negative reaction in an individual.
     
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    I understand that, but it was an example of my perhaps unreasonable aversion to what I consider to be unnecessary medications, vaccines, whatever- I have had so many issues with them myself.

    I did say "two vaccine reactions"- which you're right is not accurate- I meant "injections". Sorry :)
     
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    sillysally Obey the Toad.

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    I guess I really don't see the rabies vaccination (for my dogs) as "unnecessary." There have been cases around here of rabies, and I have one dog who will go after critters, so it's not exactly unlikely that she would be biten by one. Also, if I want to be "legal" or participate in pretty much any dog activity they need to have it. It's not like a dog that gets rabies just gets over it after the disease has run it's course.
     
  19. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Is rabies 100% infective if something gets bitten by something that has rabies?

    I mean, I know it's completely fatal, but is the infection rate itself 100%?
     
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    Nothing has a 100% infection rate. There are so many things that can happen. The concern is that when something DOES get infected with rabies, it's fatal, and highly contagious. Skunks are often carriers of rabies even if they themselves aren't affect by it. Bats can be too. There is a slight chance the immune system could prevent infection from happening or fight the infection while it's still mild, even without being vaccinated.
     

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