Anyone ever heard of this?

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  1. Whisper

    Whisper Kaleidoscopic Eye

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    So, here at Chaz obviously we've all talked about a million different training methods. I'm going to add another one.
    Any book about dog training I can get my hands on I read, whether it's something I would use for my dogs or not. My grandma knows I love anything to do with dogs and a month or so ago she picked up a mini-book written by the trainer of the dog who played The Littlest Hobo. I lost it (>.<) but I read about a method to stop your dog from running away when it's off leash.
    It said if the dog runs away to grab your dog on the sides of the head, kneel to its eye level, look it in the eyes and stay like that for 15- 20 minutes, not letting it move.

    I was thoroughly confused by this. There are some training methods I don't like or understand (such as Leerburg's), but at least they have some sort of logic to them, ass-backwards as it may be. This, though, I couldn't make heads or tails of. Obviously it's not very comfortable for the dog, so it could be a correction, but that's the only thing that reminds me of anything else I've heard of.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. corgipower

    corgipower Tweleve Enthusiest

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    Maybe it's an attempt to hypnotize the dog?:confused:
     
  3. release the hounds

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    i have no idea about the grabbing of the head, but have you actually been on the Leerburg site, or just repeat what you've heard?

    He doesn't have a "leerburg" method, he puts out info and what he finds to be useful. In case you haven't noticed, there is more free stuff and videos streaming on excellent dog training methods than you'll probably find on any other site on the net
     
  4. JessLough

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    Who the heck whats to stay like that for 15-20 minutes?! And I get the point... you are making direct eye contact with the dog, thereby intimidating.
     
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    I wouldn't agree with doing that. Like Jess says, it's intimidating. Dogs would feel uncomfortable with that. It's punishment. Punishment of any kind should never be associated with a recall. And besides, 15 - 20 minutes is ridiculous. The dog would have lost any possible connection (if there were ever a connection, which is highly unlikely) after about 1/2 a minute. How is that going to make the dog EVER want to come to you again? The dog's coming to you and not running off should always be a rewardable experience, not an intimidating or unpleasant one. And to provide many instances of a rewardable experience, (which is what trains the dog) the dog should be set up to not fail...prevented from running off in the first place. He should not be cued to come until he is sure to come, but instead set up so he will come...long line, waiting for him to come on his own, practice in a non-distracting environment so you're likely to be the motivator, not something else in the surroundings and then reinforcing him heavily when he does come.
     
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    I can just picture walking through the park and seeing someone on the ground with their dogs head between their hands staring at it....after not seeing them move for a few minutes you ask what they are doing and they say, "My dog wouldn't come, so I'm staring at him for half an hour."

    o_O ROFL

    Yes, that makes sense.
     
  7. Doberluv

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    LOL. It might look like the person is trying mental telepathy with his dog. "I'm sending messages via air waves." :rolleyes: Oy...the "logic" is astounding.
     
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    Dogs that don't come when called

    I purchased a video called "dogs that don't come when called." It worked in about 5 minutes. I didn't have to use the e-collar, long rope, or food. In fact, I didn't have to put anything special on the dog. The technique was very easy, but it's hard to explain it. The step by step instructions were clear, and easy to follow. The best thing about it was that it really did work.
    I didn't have to stare my dog in the face for 20 minutes, either. That's funny, and kinda stupid.
     
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    Gotta love more :spam:
     
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    Gotta love people who deny the existence of things like gravity. No reward, no punishment and Viola`! All the laws of the science of behavior go poof. Everything proven and demonstrated for eons suddenly no longer is real. I wonder what people like this are smoking. Sounds fun though!:popcorn:
     
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    I'm trying to send an image of the video cover. I am not good with computer lingo.

    My kids gave me a computer as an early Christmas gift. I happened on this site brousing the Internet. Why are you people on this forum being so nasty? I thought this was for dog lovers. Somebody wrote that their dog wouldn't come to them. I thought I could share something good that I had come across.
     
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    Well, it doesn't say that...it just says no e-collar or food. ;) I can train a recall without those too.
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    Sorry if we seem a bit jumpy... There have been trolls about lately.

    Though there is nothing wrong with using food as a reward to get your dog to come to you, you can use toys, etc too.

    Perhaps you could explain briefly what the dog gets out of for coming to you when called?
     
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    I apologize Susan. We've been bombarded by trolls lately and I think some of us thought, since you promoted a training method which "works" in 5 minutes to get a reliable, long term recall and swore by it....well, that sounded fishy to some of us who train for a living. I realize one can teach a dog some things in 5 minutes, sometimes even less. But I don't buy that a rock solid, reliable, consistent over time kind of recall is mastered in 5 minutes, no matter what kind of dog it is....well, maybe a clingy dog that is insecure and not interested in anything else but staying right next to his owner. So, sometimes it looks kind of spammy when someone posts quick fixes and magical thinking. Please forgive me if my mocking was misguided. You, of course, are welcome to post your video. But often videos don't how what may have gone on before. They're not always anecdotal evidence, in other words.
     
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    This is the video she's talking about:

    http://www.jcmobedience.com/dvd.html

    It all seems very very fishy. All the promos that JCM has posted about that video basically say the exact same thing as our friend Susan here.
     
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    Forget "come", I can't make my dogs go away!! :p
     
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    Looks like I was posting while you were. :)
     

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