"American Standard Retriever"

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  1. vanillasugar

    vanillasugar just call me Nilly

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    I had a person come into the store today with a dog unlike any I'd seen before. He looked like a Golden in body structure, but was deep, dark, true red. Like an irish setter. When I asked her what he was, she told me he was an "american standard retriever". Later I found out she'd rescued him from another family, so didn't have much history on him other than being told what he was.

    Is this something people are trying to breed? Red goldens, then call them something else? I was trying to figure out if he was mixed, or just a RED golden, and couldn't figure it out.

    Anyone heard of people using this "breed" name before? Or is it just a not widely recognized, yet completley legitimate breed I'd just never heard of before?
     
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    StillandSilent New Member

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    I've never heard of one, and google isn't giving me anything.
     
  3. Sush

    Sush New Member

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    I've never heard of it and I googled it and still found nothing. I think she was misinformed by the misinformed.
     
  4. PWCorgi

    PWCorgi Priscilla Winifred Corgi

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    From what I understand the darker red is more from hunting/working lines, and the light goldens are a more recent development in the breed mainly for the showing.

    I could, however, be completely wrong :)
     
  5. RetrieverLove

    RetrieverLove Golden Love

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    PWCorgi is right. Darker goldens are known as American Golden Retrievers and are usually from hunting lines. The Lighter colors are typically English Golden Retrievers and are used for showing etc.
     
  6. jess2416

    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    Agreed...

    or she could have just been being funny and calling him that, ya know like I call Chloe a German Shepador Retriever...
     
  7. Zoom

    Zoom Twin 2.0

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    I've also seen a lot of deep reds come out of petstores.
     
  8. PWCorgi

    PWCorgi Priscilla Winifred Corgi

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    Could this be because the BYB's are getting their dogs from hunting stock?
    Maybe they are generally less rigorous in screening?

    I know this is how it is with English Setters, they almost never get show line ES's in rescue, they're all working line.
     
  9. Bob4eva

    Bob4eva CrAbS 4 WoRlD dOmInAtIoN!

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    No idea,and when I googled all I got was pictures of sinks.. :rolleyes:
    Maybe the previous owners didn't wanna say mutt so they made up a new name.
     
  10. ~Jessie~

    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    My fiancee's parents have 2 red Goldens... they were both from awful BYBs.
     
  11. ~Tucker&Me~

    ~Tucker&Me~ and Spy.

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    I've heard this term before.
    Though, I don't know how valid it is.

    ~Tucker
     
  12. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Most 'American' show-bred Goldens are a pretty medium gold color. 'English Goldens' are a lighter gold color- almost cream and sometimes referred to as 'white goldens' (IE Oprah's dogs). Field bred goldens tend to be redder, but I'm not sure why.
     
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    bubbatd Moderator

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    You all are right . The show lines tend to get lighter .... but the field Goldens are darker . The original imported and show lines were darker than today ....Stilrovin lines , Lorelei lines . Google : Lorelei's Golden Rip Golden Retriever ....he was my 1st Golden's sire back in 1949 . A Champion all the way .... both Conformation and Field ....but wouldn't even been looked at in the ring today .!! Personally , I hate to see how the breed has changed ! My Grand-dog Seger is a beautiful Golden ..... just what the judges are looking for today . Bubba in my siggie looks much darker than he actually was .... he was the true honey colored Golden . More like Chip next to me on the swing .
     

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