Am I missing something?

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  1. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Ozfozz Highbread Dingbat

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    That dog mauled the child.
    It wasn't a simple nip, his face suffered a lot of damage.
    The owner also states that the dog killed her other dog last year? (Not that the 2 are always interrelated of course, but the combination I feel indicates a certain lack of inhibition).

    There are too many pit bulls awaiting homes as it is. Pit bulls that have bite inhibition. To save one that has a history of mauling a child? It's asinine.

    I hate to say it, but I'm certain it's those "Omg pit bulls are great and it's all in the way you raise them" people. The ones that don't quite comprehend the genetics involved.
     
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    Ozfozz hit the nail on the head with this one I think.
     
  4. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

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    I wish people would quit making so many excuses for their dogs. Demand better. It's sad when a dog is put down, i get it. So if you have a dog that demands excuses be made for it, do a better job and managing those situations so no excuses need to be made and look for a better dog next time. If you like managing those situations with dogs with less than decent temperament, then by all means, make a life out of it. I know many do, and they don't have to make excuses because they spend more time managing and keeping everyone safe.
     
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    *blackrose "I'm kupo for kupo nuts!"

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    Yes and yes.
     
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    x100. I do have a little more optimism for a dog that (as in this example) gets taken off a chain, and potentially goes into a knowledgeable foster home. But I guess I don't see the point, considering there are 1359032095 pit bulls that are being put to sleep for no reason. Are we really going to start running around and saving dogs with (major!) bite histories at this point?

    I guess I feel like, anyone that will be able to appropriately manage a dog like this, probably already has dogs. And if he killed another dog...he can't safely be in one of those homes, right? So he is going to live the rest of his life on lockdown, pretty much. Or is going to go to someone that is inappropriate and he is going to bite someone again or kill another dog. How is that fair?
     
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    Nope you are not missing anything, it's stupid. It goes back the have to save them all attitude. A friend had a 7 year old St. Bernard, he attempted to do this to her then 3 year old, she was right there and was able to prevent it but decided that it was best to have him euthed. This was not his first time showing aggression to the child, the other times it was small growls when she stepped on his tail, this time was an outright lunge. He was not dog friendly at all, was man aggressive and not so good with other women either. And he was seven, pretty much a typical byb, mill type saint. So she put on Facebook that she had decided to have him pts. Some chick she had on her friends list came right unglued, offered to take him into her home until a foster or adoptive home could be found...this woman had 3 kids and 4 dogs and a husband and brother living with her. Some people are just flipping nuts.
     
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    Too many crazy people who think every dog can and must be saved. They think the dog will just go live out a happy life on the magical "farm". The ones blaming the kid are just nuts, kids don't know, that's why kids/dogs need to be supervised, this situation had high risk written all over it. I am a little dismayed the babysitter/dog owner isn't being held responsible at all though. It's easy to kill a dog but shitty ownership is what caused this.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    It just amazes me 40,000 people are petitioning this and they've raised thousands. For a dog that has majorly bitten a kid in the face.

    Most the comments are stupid too. Either: 'All pit bulls are evil and should be shot' or 'That brat kid must've done it and deserved what he got!' Middle ground people? Putting THIS dog down has nothing to do with him being a pit bull.
     
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    The dog needs to be PTS. And maybe I saw a wrong picture, but if the one I saw was indeed the dog, then the owners need to be investigated as to why the thing looks like an emaciated creature left out back to die of starvation.
     
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    From what I was aware when the story first showed, the kid walked onto the dogs territory and tried to take a bone from the dog. I think that's why people were going against the dog being PTS.

    I think if the kid wandered off onto the dogs property and got bitten for reaching out to a strange dog, it isn't the dogs fault. But also the person babysitting the kid should have been watching out, especially if it was her dog. I'll re-read the story now to see if it's changed since the first time I read it.

    Edit: I see now that the bone wasn't in the dogs mouth but on the floor..but either way I believe the kid shouldn't have been on the property?
     
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    But still there are how many pit/pit mixes (and other dogs as well) that wouldn't have gone after the child for picking up the bone? How many of them will be euthed today? Meanwhile 40,000 people are fighting to save this one dog? It's illogical.
     
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    If some kid came into my yard and tried to take food away from my dog and my dog bit him, I don't think I'd be very accepting of being forced to put him down.

    Not entirely sure what happened there, whether it was a sustained attack vs a chomp etc. but I'm pretty opposed to mandatory euthanasia for dogs that bite on their owner's property.
     
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    That is true, ruffian, but if this was my own dog and someone came onto my property, my dog is worth more to me than all those other dogs. Just because it's one dog, I don't believe in letting him die because others are.

    My golden x is more likely by a million to bite someone who goes for his things while my apbt x is more than willing to share all his belongings. I bet if my golden bit a child, it wouldn't be so wrong to try to save him over a pit. There are many pits in shelters, but IF the child went onto this dogs property, the dog shouldn't have to suffer over an irresponsible babysitter because dogs are dying in shelters.

    Edit: Because he's a pit, I'm sure a lot of people are seeing the dog as aggressive. I'm sure if a golden retriever bit someone, everyone would say "Goldens are normally such great dogs! It must have been a mistake, please save the dog".
     
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    I would also fight for MY dog, but I won't sign a petition for this dog, anywhere I have lived if the dog was properly contained within the property and the child wandered in they couldn't force it to be euthed, as long as it was it's first bite. Here it would be deemed a dangerous dog and have strict regulations for here on out. In Grande Prairie if it had been housed according to the guidelines for pits/pit mixes and dogs deemed dangerous through previous bites this could not have happened. [​IMG]

    This a a part of it for here.
     
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    In this case however the owners turned him over and want him euthanized is my understanding. This dog doesn't have a home to go back to.
     
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    True, just from what I know, this was the dogs first bite. You can't compare it killing a dog to hurting a child. I know my own boy is VERY DA. I would never ever let him off leash around another dog or even near, but he loves people. The vet said he's usually nervous arounds pits and that my dog had an amazing temperament. :D

    But I think it was the dogs first bite so I don't understand why he should be PTS. I do, however, feel bad for the child. That's not something a child, or anyone should have to go through and I hope he won't be traumatized of dogs.
     
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    Paviche Duuuuude.

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    The kid didn't take the bone from the dog's mouth. The bone was lying on the ground near the dog, and the dog didn't just bite him, he mauled him. That to me points to some major instability and I agree, I don't understand why people are petitioning otherwise. I will be the first to say that dogs bite and it doesn't make them vicious, but again... there's a bite, and there's an attack that will lead to "months and possibly years of reconstructive surgery." Put that effort into the thousands of stable dogs that need help.
     
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    But the owners did surrender him. That's why I don't understand the fight. I also don't agree with shelters going through tens of thousands of dollars to save one dog when that money could be spent to save hundreds of other dogs instead.
     
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    I guess that's true, there's a big difference between a bite and a maul. I thought of it that a kid is smaller so a bite would have more impact. But if a dog can do that to a child for no reason (first story said bone was in dogs mouth) then it's not right to keep it from being pts..especially a pit. If it ever attacks again, it's even worse on BSL
     

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