Discussion in 'Dog Training Forum' started by Panzerotti, Feb 6, 2012.
Nice run! Good recovery after that fall, didn't even miss a beat.
Can you explain more about transferring value to jumps? I was watching the SS DVD today and one of the things she mentioned was that if the dog is looking at you during agility that's not a good thing, he/she should be looking at the obstacles. Is this what you are talking about?
I am in the process of trying to improve Spy's jumping issues and am very interested in anything that could make the situation better!
ETA: Here is a video I made for my trainer so she could see Spy's jumping style in slow-mo to get a better idea of what's going on. Any input you guys have would be great, too
Transferring value means that during training you'll reach a point where you'll have rewarded jumping enough that jumping itself becomes rewarding to the dog and the dog will want to take any jump in it's path because it loves jumping.
As for looking forward, you can practice this with one jump. Set your dog up in a stay in front of the jump, step off to the side and only release your dog over the jump when it looks forward at the jump.
I watched your video and it looks like your dog is taking off too early and doesn't understand how to jump collected. SS jump grids should help a lot with that. Have you started the set point exercise yet? Also, look into Silvia Trkman's cik/cap training, which teaches the dog first to wrap around things, then eventually to take a jump while wrapping it, nice and tight and collected. http://silvia.trkman.net/cikcap.htm
Agreed! Good stuff!
Transferring value means you are transferring the value of whatever your reward is to what you are asking the dog to do. Like when you play crate games, you play it using really high value treats like chicken... the crate takes on the value of the chicken. Payton has seen jumps before and played with them some, but because we've never really done any structured playing with them (they'll be set up in the yard for Auggie and he might jump over one because it just happens to be in his way while he's tearing around) he doesn't really see it as ZOMG FUN. It just kinda is. It's just something in his way. Not terribly unlike if he were in the woods and a log was in his way or whatever... nothing particularly important.
But now that we're actually working with them, they've become a "thing" to interact with. And when he interacts with them, he gets to grab the tuggy ball and we play tug! So the great game of tug he gets out of jumping has made the jump itself fun... the value of the tug has been transferred to the jump.
When people talk about having the dog looking forward at the jump rather than you, it's not so much about the value the jump holds as the dog being task oriented rather than handler oriented. Yes, you want them to be tuned in to you and your body language so you can steer them around the course, but you also want them to be looking forward at what they are doing and at what is coming up next... rather than constantly turning to look at you going "What's next?? What's next??" Kinda just "take what's in front of you, unless I tell you differently!"
Spy is fast! Haha that's all I can add. He always looks so serious and stately.
I've been retraining Zuma's A-frame as she's gotten super creepy moving into that 2o2o position. This was mainly due to a lack of foundation training... Everyone take that to heart, DO NOT skimp on foundations because you pay for it later!!
I've been training a running contact to help her with her striding... I will train a stopped contact back in so that I can use it if I need it.
Here's the video:
It looks like Zuma's picking up on the striding pretty well, just needs to learn to control herself and stay low over the apex as she's getting a worrying degree of loft.
She really is such a nice size lol. And a quick little thing.
Agreed! Some of them scared me. I'm adding some stride regulators in on the down side next, she's never jumped into the yellow before today.
Thanks Panzerotti and Beanie, I emailed that video to my trainer as well and she had some really good insight about what's going on, so we plan to do some SS stuff and set up the grids. Hopefully that will help!
Laur, I know :yikes:. Me trying to keep up with him in agility is incredibly embarrassing.
Nice work! She is such a cool little girl!!!
It's so true about the foundations and thank you for the reminder! Lately I feel like I am going nowhere with my agility training, but then I remind myself that it's worth it to take it slow and steady at first.
Cool, let us know how it goes! He looks like an awesome dog, he just has to learn to control some of his power, lol!
Sara, oh yeah she's got it
Tucker, agree with Pan and Beanie, he needs to read that when your stopped/stopping and the handler doesn't go beyond the plane of the jump and doesn't go into the take off zone, that he is to put in an extra stride and jump tight. You also need to know where his take off point is and give the information (stopping or decel) that nana second before his take off, so he can add the stride. At this point he is always jumping in extension and not collection. The links they posted should help. Along with SS etc.
He looks like once he understands that he is going to be awesome. Have fun !!!!!
She's looking good!!! Oh man, she's going to be awesome to continue competing with
We had our last class of the session (next session picks up in a few weeks), and Kimma did something totally weird. She WOULD NOT weave from this one tunnel. Other tunnels she was fine with. Jumps she was fine with. But this one, she would come out and just run TOTALLY BY the weaves and to a hay stack to sniff? I tried doing other weave entries from things besides the tunnel and she did it fine. She also did some difficult entries in that same direction. But not from this one particular, straight tunnel. So I guess we're going to do some straight tunnel - weave work during our break LOL.
I am SO proud of Panzer!!! Yesterday we went to our first agility fun match, so it was set up like a mini-trial. It was a new location for us with new people and dogs. And my reactive stranger-hating dog was the best behaved there!!! I wasn't there for the agility so much as the trial-like atmosphere. Pan was great walking to and from the ring and her start line stays were perfection, even with strangers right at her back.
As for the agility, we only did easy parts of the courses, but she did her very first 1/2 course! She was pretty quick but I'm hoping that more speed will come as she really understands our handling system (we're still in the beginning training stages of handling). The nice thing right now is that she wants to be right so you can tell she's thinking about what she's doing.
Video of her first 1/2 course....
That looks FANTASTIC!!! Awesome start line.
She looks awesome!!! You two looked so in tune, a really nice flow of information. And yeah, that start line was brilliant, especially since she let you jog away without breaking.
She's gonna be great. And congrats on the no/low reactivity at the match. Keeva is DR with strange dogs and thanks to CU and all our work, she was the best behaved dog at the UKC show we just went to. It's seriously the best feeling in the world when they do you proud like that!
Thanks guys! It was such a perfect experience for us both.
It really is amazing when all of the hard work pays off. Congrats to you guys too!
You and Pan look great! It's so cool to be able to watch these dogs on here all coming together so nicely
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