AC's Comment from DC's Beach Pics Thread -- Moved

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Its not just the dogs that had to eat crap, we ended up eating hamburger helper and corn everynight that week because it was cheap and i got the milk to make it on wic.
Almost without exception, pre-packaged, prepared food is more expensive than buying say...bulk pasta and making your own sauce. Take the money you spend on boxes of hamburger helper and buy a bigger bag of pasta or rice. Poor, peasant people in China survived on a little fish, seaweed and rice. Rice is a cheap but good food and you can get a lot more for the money you spend on Hamburger Helper. You can buy cheap, store brand tomato sauce, a real onion and whatever else you need and it will make oodles of spaghetti sauce. The more someone else has to package something, the more money goes into it. You can also make very nutritious, homemade soups in large amounts for very little money. I use a lot of Ham hocks for a base or those turkey drumsticks they sell in packages of 2. They're cheap, low in fat and very good for a quick turkey soup. Or a whole turkey is probably more ecconomical.

You should get a Chihuahua. They don't eat 10 cups of food a day. They eat less than 1/2 cup per day. No matter how poor I get, I think I'll be able to manage two meals each with less than 1/4 cup each a day. I would never have a dog that ate that much. It would put me in the poor house and I'm not that close to being poor.

I don't know that much about sighthounds, granted, but to me, those pictures, just instinctively disturb me. Something in my maternal instinct causes me to re-coil. But I'm glad you're working on putting weight on him. I hope it works. I realize that no dog should be fat and that lean is good. My dogs are a tad on the pudgy side because when they stay at me ex's, he over feeds them, even though I show him how much to give. He just can't believe that so little is enough. So, now I'm working on cutting them back, little by little.

If racing dogs are bred to be so lean, their metabolisms selected that way, since it must make them run faster, maybe some modification should be done in breeding, so there's a happy medium. That just looks unnatural to me. He looks like some of those dogs on Animal Cops. But then again....it's true. I am not a Greyhound person. I'm a mother though, if that makes any difference.;)

At any rate, I know you're not purposely neglecting him and that you will do everything you can to get him back where he should be.

It looks like that was a fun day at that beautiful beach and your little boy is adorable.
 

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If racing dogs are bred to be so lean, their metabolisms selected that way, since it must make them run faster, maybe some modification should be done in breeding, so there's a happy medium. That just looks unnatural to me. He looks like some of those dogs on Animal Cops
its not nessicarily "racing dogs" but sighthounds in general, yes they were bred to run, but their fast metabolisms have more to do with the work the breed was origionally meant to do and less to do with the track dogs in general.

i do understand its hard to imagine a dog is HEALTHY so lean (such as the azwahs) but for the breed, thats how they are best suited for their job and environment.
to try and change these breeds to slow down their metabolism, and make them "stockier" would be a great disjustice to these breeds...
many of these dogs still do what they were bred for...at least in a sense, while the track is less than idea, and lurecoursing isnt exactly natrual its still closer to their natural behaviour than most folks pets, and most people that own sighthounds (even retired racers) often still attempt to get involved with lure coursing.

changing them to be leaner would be the same as what the ring has done to the shepard (that roached back is useless in a working dog) or the bulldog, the overly broad stance and extreemly shortend muzzle make it impossible for the breed to do anything remotly like its origional use.

if we compare breeing a grey to a dobie...
breeding a grey with a slower metabolism and adding more "meat" to its bones would be like breeding a dobie to be built like a rottie...not suitable for the breed even in its basic form.


i hope that makes sense...and im absolutly not trying to "pick on you" dobe, more using as an example.

your feelings about greys (and other sights) being too thin (even at healthy weight) is a commonly shared one by those unfamiliar with these breeds. and while absolutly normal (especially in this world where overwieght (ev en by a few lbs) is more common than dogs of ideal weight, shows like animal cops ect...

its unfortunatly becomming more and more common.

i actually got a call from AC because someone filed a complaint that ruby is emeaciated...
for her height and breed shes ideal at 9.5-10lbs, while some cresties are built like tanks, they should be built lightly, build for speed,
luckily after my vet talked to ac they accepted that the dogs were infact a good weight and NOT being starved.

this doesnt suprise me though as most people are NOT familiar with these breeds, and the few things they do hear are often propeganda about nasty racetracks, abusive overs ect from rescue groups who, while meaning well, dont nessicarily speek the complete truth, are not nessicarily the "experts" in the breed as a while, and will automacitally "feed up" dogs that come in (our vet hates our local branch of greyhound rescue because they have been told frequently that adding as much weight to the dogs as they do is very healthy for these dogs)
the other big problem is the AKC confirmation...for the show ring they bulk them up more than they should, so folks are used to seeing these ring bred greys, and of course everyone "knows" if you want a "quality" dog then the should be involved in showing thorugh the AKC, and of course AKC confirmation is how the dog should look absolutly no question.
and while this is true for many companion breeds, for working breeds this just doesnt work...

dobe, honestly if you get a chance, i think youd LOVE to get to know some greys, ive found alot of folks who love dobies love greyhounds too!
and i wish working sighthound breeders got more press with their dogs, show the world not only what a "real" sighthound looks like, but what these dogs can do!
 
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*sigh*

what im trying to say is...
walk a mile in the other persons shoes!
this.

that was basically what I was trying to say in the other thread. yes, the pictures are shocking and the dog is skinny but you don't know everything about the situation or that dog.

as for the comment about hamburger helper, take it from a college student. its SOOO MUCH cheaper to buy maccaroni, sauce, hamburger meat, etc.. in bulk then to buy hamburger helper packages :) I must admit, the packages are very convenient, but its pretty easy to whip up everything you need and then it can be refrigerated and then re-heated in like 30 minutes and ready for meal time :)
 

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i agree...
im trying to convert my parents to "bulk buying" now as its how i try (and will be doing) my grocery shopping when i have my own place.

we took our first costco trip (im a frim beliver that there should be a costco or Bj's wholesale club within a 1 hour radius of EVERY town.) mum spent close to $200 on meat (and olive oil lol) but that $200 is enough meat to feed a family of 5 grown people for a month...
add another $100 in dry goods like pasta and rice, and youve got meals for a month.

once im more "learned" in canning, jaring and preserving, ill also be buying any fresh goods i cant grow myself (or off season) in bulk too.

unfortunatly though, buying in bulk while cheaper in the long run requires that intial bulk sum of money to stock up...if your short on cash, hamburger helper and rammen are cheaper up front...
 

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I am exceptionally adept at feeding everyone and everything around here on very, very little. I feed my kids Korean Short grain brown rice (it seems to go over better than regular brown rice) endlessly. I buy meat in large chunks and cut it up. I save chicken bones after we eat the chicken and make soup. Etc, etc, etc....

Even so, there was a period of four or five days a while back that I ran out of dog food and could not buy more. I fed Uncle Fred a little cat food and some scraps and rice, and Mini next to nothing. Then I bought more dog food. It was scary. I don't know who else could care for Uncle Fred successfully. He is not the most easily transplantable dog. And I love him. Still, there was no way to explain to him that there was no more food money until friday. So I do know how this can happen. It is not fun.
 

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we took our first costco trip (im a frim beliver that there should be a costco or Bj's wholesale club within a 1 hour radius of EVERY town.) mum spent close to $200 on meat (and olive oil lol) but that $200 is enough meat to feed a family of 5 grown people for a month...
add another $100 in dry goods like pasta and rice, and youve got meals for a month.
I love costco. Whereas anywhere else we spend $200 a week (at least) on food for 3 of the family (my sister buys her own food as she's 22 and I have different dietary needs so it doesn't get counted with everybody else's food), at costco we can go spend $300 for the month. Only thing we'd have to buy and pay more for throughout the month would be things like milk, and last minute privelages (if we want snacks for a night)

Even so, there was a period of four or five days a while back that I ran out of dog food and could not buy more. I fed Uncle Fred a little cat food and some scraps and rice, and Mini next to nothing. Then I bought more dog food. It was scary. I don't know who else could care for Uncle Fred successfully. He is not the most easily transplantable dog. And I love him. Still, there was no way to explain to him that there was no more food money until friday. So I do know how this can happen. It is not fun.
My brother is horrible at telling somebody when Rosey is almost out of dog food. he is the person who feeds her, so nobody else notices, then he tells us when he empties the bag. So quite a few times we have run out of dog food, and it always happens to be the weeks that we are short on money (after just paying rent or bills) that she runs out. :rolleyes: of course, wouldn't expect anything less, that is how it always works, right? :lol-sign: When that happens, she gets fed whatever we are eating usually, or else rice and steak or rice and something. Hot dogs is one of her faves too lol. Point being, you do what you can to feed your pet, stuff happens when you least expect it. I was glad to see that this happens to other people too, I always feel like a horrible owner when that happens (even though of course, Rosey LOVES when it happens cause that means she gets only people food!)
 
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For those that have been short on dog food in the past... a lot of times dog stores have samples of the food... they are small bags they are good for 1-3 meals depending on the brand and your dog... many times they are the feed stores or the boutique type stores that you may think are too expensive to go into... go in an say you are thinking of trying a new food and want to take some samples... you will probably get enough to hold you over for a few days... just something to think of if you are in a pinch! I know they dont have these stores near everyone but if you know of any near you it is worth it to consider.
 

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poodle mommy, that a great idea for those of us with smaller breeds...
but the likes of a larger breed or a dog with a sensitive tummy (upset tummy can be as dangerous if not more than not eating for a week!!), lol, im not sure if it would work lol.

around here your only allowed 1 pack per brand, there about 1/4 a cup, and they limit them to 3 per customer per week because people were abusing them taking bag fulls of them and never actually buying the food.
the petstores around here actually keep customers info in the computer and samples are rang out like everything else, there just free... so they can keep track of how many youve taken.

costco has been a godsend for dog food too, i switched everyone onto kirkland, its about the same price as the junk mum was feeding, charlie the cocker with the touchy tummy is doing good on it...and its cheaper than the food i was feeding the cresties, while still being a fairly good food!
there has been weeks though where hot dogs and rice, and chicken scraps and rice have been the meals, times are tough and those that are NOT feeling it...well they are the "lucky" ones.


i do want to add, when times are tough, head to craigslist and freecycle. put an add out for FREEZER BURNED MEATS...most folks give the stuff away for free becuase they wont eat it...
those freezer burn meats are perfect for making dog food with, even if you dont feed raw, just cook it first!
also make friends with hunters, most will give you the bits they wont use!
 

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And butchers.. They give away some stuff that they cant use of the animal.. Even if its just the bones it it better then nothing!
 

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I just had a thought. If anyone runs out of dog food/can't afford it for a short time. try going around to vets and asking if they have any outdates you could have. I know we have at least 40-50 pounds of dry and probably 2 or 3 dozen cans of outdated prescription diets sitting in our back room. Employees take what they want, but some of the specialized diets we don't take. They're not ideal for the average dog, but it's better than nothing.

In fact, if there's anyone in the Wichita area that needs food, PM me. I have a partial bag of Hills sitting in my cabinet that I'm not planning on using, too.
 
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Hard choices and pecking order come into play when a family is in dire straights. DC and all her family got through a terribly hard time, and the only negative is that a very lean member of her family lost weight quickly. The whole family recovered, including the lean member. So many awful things could have happened if the hard time hadn't ended. The dogs many of us own live incredibly spoiled lives compared to what it was like when I was a kid. DC wouldn't have let any member of her family starve to death.

She should be praised for what she's enduring, and how committed she is to making a good life for those she loves.
 

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I would email Evangers i don't know if they still are but they were giving away samples But they were huge Boxes of 2 cases of each flavor of food they sell Plus bag's of there dry.
I have always ordered samples online for when my neighbor Didn't have dog food Instead of giving them my dog food i would give her samples.
 

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Oh FW. I didn't mean that modification should mean changing the breed so much that he can't do what he's bred to do. And I do realize that they are thinner than most dogs. But somehow, those pictures at the beach just look scary-thin. But I know his mommy is working on it and he should get just a little more meat on him, probably.

I had neighbors where I use to live who had a whole bunch of Irish Wolfhounds. They seemed to be careful breeders and showed their dogs. They were lean too. Of course, they had more hair so it was hard to tell just how lean. I think, no matter what, if I see pelvic bones sticking way out and a lot of depth in between ribs, where the tissue sinks deeply in, that just can't be right. I do know what you mean about the ribs showing a little bit etc. They can not be allowed to run the way they do with any excess weight. That could be very detrimental. So, I do understand that and I know they weren't bred for running on a tack originally. LOL. That came later. But yeah, I'm not that familiar with the breed, other than what I've heard or read, which isn't that much.

I don't think I'd want one though, as much as I admire them. I like some traits that tend to be diametrically opposed to many sight hounds. My Doberman, for example, although part of his make-up is a Greyhound, among other things, was compelled to stick to me like glue. He never wandered off the property...no training necessary for that. I like a little more bulk, but not too much. He was powerful and fast, very attached to me and smart as a whip...very quick to catch onto obedience stuff. But alas....I don't think I'll get anymore big dogs. I'm pretty much enamored with these little rug rats these days and they're sooooo easy.
 

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I just had a thought. If anyone runs out of dog food/can't afford it for a short time. try going around to vets and asking if they have any outdates you could have. I know we have at least 40-50 pounds of dry and probably 2 or 3 dozen cans of outdated prescription diets sitting in our back room. Employees take what they want, but some of the specialized diets we don't take. They're not ideal for the average dog, but it's better than nothing.

In fact, if there's anyone in the Wichita area that needs food, PM me. I have a partial bag of Hills sitting in my cabinet that I'm not planning on using, too.
I agree with this I'm sure if She made a thread when or before she ran out of food someone would send her dog food.
 

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Err, I did send her food actually. It does run out at some point and without a constant supply of money, you can't keep buying food right when you run out that is the same quality your dog is used to.

Anyways, there's a thread about Chaz resource pooling.
 

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And butchers.. They give away some stuff that they cant use of the animal.. Even if its just the bones it it better then nothing!
Heh! I WISH the butchers around here would give away the stuff they can't use! They charge me .99 cents a pound for BONES.......BONES that most people wouldn't even take for soup! LOL


Anyway without "picking sides" or getting in the middle of something I just came to know about yesterday, I agree with this from Island dog:

Hard choices and pecking order come into play when a family is in dire straights. DC and all her family got through a terribly hard time, and the only negative is that a very lean member of her family lost weight quickly. The whole family recovered, including the lean member. So many awful things could have happened if the hard time hadn't ended. The dogs many of us own live incredibly spoiled lives compared to what it was like when I was a kid. DC wouldn't have let any member of her family starve to death.
 

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I just can't believe it was so exspensive to get better food. I mean, I believe it, but that's really sad, because I'm positive there are more pet owners in a similar situiation (unhealthy dog because of crappy food)
I don't understand how NC could be more exspensive than where I lived either. Heck, I lied in SF, pretty exspensive place, because of my hospitalizations we weren't always doing fabulous money wise, but we could still afford good dog food.
Another thing you might not be thinking of Muffin is how unpopulated a lot of NC can be. My dad would have to drive an hour or more to get to a place that even carries good dog food. So you have to add the gas price to the price of the food which may also be more expensive because it's rare in the area.
This ^^ Im VERY VERY VERY INCREDIBLY lucky to have the store I have in my city... if it wasnt there I would have to drive between 45- 1 hour to get Chloe's food...

So unless you've lived here, then you dont know do you....
 

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DC, I'm sorry if this sounds unkind, but I wonder if it would be a good idea to keep Scirocco a little above your ideal/racing weight when possible (i.e., when finances permit). That way, if your family has another period like this last one, his weight won't get this low? I do hope that this isn't a choice that you -- or anyone else -- has to make again.
 

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