ACA registaion ?

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  1. i'm_sofa_king

    i'm_sofa_king New Member

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    i've heard about being AKC registered but the Shih Tzu puppy we are getting is ACA registered. so, what is it? is it good/bad/indifferent? does it mean anything?
     
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    Hey sofa king, love the name! My brother inlaw wrote that on a peice of paper but had the phrase "we todd it" at the end, it sounds so funny when someone who doesnt know what it sounds like reads it over and over until they get it!
     
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    I have not heard of the ACA but I do know that there are alot of "new" registrations popping up all over the place and it seems to me that it is a place for people to go if there dogs are not AKC, CKC, or UKC registered I would avoid them I have found that most of the time the breeders are irresponsible people who are back yard breeders
     
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    ok, honestly, how bad are these "backyard breeders"? all of there puppies looked good to me, of course i'm not sure how they are supposed to look at only 3 weeks old. it was an old farm couple out in the country. as long as the dog is healthy, i dont really care about it being registered.
     
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    I think all the papers are meaningless unless your planning to breed them then you should buy a dog that has AKC. All the other papers don't mean anything.
     
  6. Renee750il

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    That's good advice, Candy, but even with AKC papers it doesn't mean the dog is sound, and you do have to take into account that there are many breeds that (thankfully) the AKC hasn't recognized. Most of these breeds have their own registries that uphold standards, and even within these smaller groups there are splinter registries that don't uphold the same standards. You just have to do the research.
     
  7. Denaluvscorgis

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    My Corgi is not AKC registered, but she has been vet checked and is sound, healthy & free from any genetic problems linked with this breed. The Sire of her puppies also has gone through the same. Their puppies at this point are also extremely healthy according to our vet. I think that if a person wants a dog for strictly a pet,that it would be ok to get a puppy from what you call a "back yard breeder". I guess that is what I am, and my dogs are healthy, happy, well taken care of & very well loved.
     
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    Truly, here's my take on it...which is the same as some of you.... I bought Hammie from a respected breeder, he is AKC registered. Now....since he is neutered, obviously I didn't want to breed him.......so basically I think for a loving pet, it was a big expense. Those papers don't mean diddly squat to me. I like knowing his background.........but I could have had the same sweet pet from a wonderful rescue. So.....unless you are into proper breeding...or are showing your dog, the 'papers' don't mean anything do they? I HATE puppy mills as much as all of you......so never buy from a pet shop. BUT, I think if a person has two beautiful dogs, with certified good health from a qualified vet....and they breed them....and all the dogs are AKC registered...what is so wrong with that 'back yard' breeder? Now, Serena....you know I am someone who respects you totally, so please don't get upset with me. BUT....just say...IF the health is documented, the dogs are raised with love and care....is it so bad for SOME back yard breeders?? And, nope...I don't ask with any intention of EVER doing it myself........no puppies around here!! LOL Addie is spayed, Ham is neutered. I believe in birth control! lol
     
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    I agree 100% with you Debi. I have seen many breeders who hide behind those AKC papers, and to be perfectly honest with you, I would NOT buy a dog from them, because their dogs that they use to breed are not properly take care of.

    Dena
     
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    I also agree with many of you papers don't mean didlly squat but the fact is there are too many "back yard breeders" that DO NOT check genetic quality of their dogs and quite frankly don't give a **** either and they are only adding to the overpopulation of this throw away society I think that the registries need to be more responsible in who they allow to register dogs with them I have seen people do many wrong things and the registires don't check into them for example registering seversal dogs with one registration number, or I know this lady who found a Rottie on the side of the road and registered it with CKC (Contenintal Kennel Club) and then bred her to one of her puppies and got "rare" blue Rottie pups wich are a result of inbreeding many breeders and even the breed description will tell you this and registered these pups with CKC (Contenintal Kennel Club) and sold these pups to unsuspecting buyers for $1000.00 and $1500.00 and she is a back yard breeder sure they should have checked out the pups better but shouldn't it be on the breeder a little my point is that papers are not important but the fact is that if the dogs are registered with AKC, CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), or UKC than the breeders are generally more concerned with the dogs they are breeding and you have more of a chance to research your individual dogs heredity and I am also trying to point out the fact that most BYB's don't have a clue as to how properly breed a healthy litter of puppies
     
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    Serena

    I was say that AKC (American Kennels Club), CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), and UKC (United Kennel Club) are the only reputable registries I know of and if at all possible any and all others should be avoided like
    ACA
    CKC (Contenintal Kennel Club)
    UAB (United All Breed)
    and any of the others not mentioned
    Just to clear things up:)
     
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    Serena - something I've never seen, so I'll ask you: can you, will you give us a good definition/comparison of the backyard breeder vs. the hobby breeder?
     
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    I agree with you Debi 100% I think that there are alot of breeders that hide behind those AKC papers. I have seen some puppies from breeders with AKC registered dogs, and to be totally honest with you, I would not want one of their puppies. Alot of times their dogs they use for breeders are not properly take care of at all.

    Chloe, my Crogi is now spayed. We only wanted to let her have on litter of puppies, and I'm really glad that we did. They have been such a delight to our family, as well as our animal family.

    I only have a few more days with them. I'm really going to miss them so much.
     
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    well, OUCH. Serena......I loves ya hon. I sooooooo respect you. But, is it just a matter of your way is the ONLY way? If someone has a pair of dogs, respectably AKC registered......good lines, good health. Are you saying they are awful for breeding pups? Somehow that doesn't seem all that fair to me. What makes the standard for a qualified 'breeder'? Some politics.....like they belong to some breeder club...where do they go to be 'proven'? What if they appear to be qualifed breeders, but in reality they could also care less...that money IS the bottom line for them? WHAT MAKES THEM PROVEN????? Not trying to be a pain in your patootie. You know I acknowledge your serious knowledge...I look to you for guidence. How does the average person really know...reputation aside, because it can be bogus.........that a person breeds a dog solely for the quality of the breed? Papers don't say that to me.........what says that to ME to make it a person up to your standards?
     
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    One last question....what if someone bought 2 dogs from reputable breeders....and they decided to breed them. Now....since we are to assume these are top-notch dogs.......is that so bad???? I guess I don't always understand the 'line' that gets crossed. IF that is the scenerio..what is so bad about it? This is my own curiosity. I don't advocate BYB or puppy mills at all. This is just MY QUESTIONING.



    If my questioning upsets anyone.....forgive me. I come here for information. I want to learn. IF it's a matter of a hard-line one thing only way of thinking...I guess I'll go elsewhere.
     
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    Although it didn't exactly address the term "hobby breeder" that I hear from time to time, it did reassure me as to my and Charley's intentions. Having a rare breed that is a real working breed with so many 'special' qualities creates some judgment calls and awesome responsibilities. Our only real goad for breeding is to ensure that we have dogs with superb lines, health, agility, temperament and retain all their working capabilities, and we primarily want to keep our own dogs. My parents will get a dog. There may be a few CAREFULLY placed (very experienced dog owners, room for a dog of this magnitude, desire to have a dog that has to be surgically removed from your side - lol, etc.), but most will be staying right here on the farm working and being spoiled rotten.

    One thing about it, at least I know both girls have absolutely impeccable lines. We were extremely fortunate to find such good breed examples without having to travel all over the country - and beyond. Once Charley decided he wanted Fila Brasileiros, he would've gone to the ends of the earth looking for the right one!
     
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    So I guess I'm just still wondering...what makes the breeder so 'knowlegable'..so defined? Do they come under some juristiction of certification? If I researched buying Hammie for a year.....picked the breeder....feel confident they are top-notch. Then I find a female of equal quality. (this is hypothetical..we know poor Ham is neutered...lol) IF..just IF I feel I know enough about the breed to cross breed them for pups....what is it that makes me a BYB?? If I feel my pups were bred for temperament, breed improvement?? Why would it be so bad if my "Princess" bred because she is amazing? IF I were someone that did this without the benefit of certification.......but just a true love of the breed? Why is it so horrid that I sell these pups as pets...if I feel they have great temperament and the parents are wonderful? I just think sometimes the answers to some of this are so biased......so 'cut and dried' as the opinion of few. That doesn't make it law to me. I wish this board could be a little more open. OK....will end this now. lol I confess that I've always been someone not prone to take the absolute opinion of one or two as complete. It is my business background......and I've been the devil's advocate most often when thinking something through. No need to respond. I think we've hashed it out. :D

    Now........back to the muddy paw problem............................................
     
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    so basically your saying that anybody who dosen't buy a dog from a reputable breeders is buying an inferior dog? what? if your not going to "show" and you just want it for a family pet, what does it matter? its the same thing as having a mutt for a family pet. they still are good pets. just because its from a "BYB" dosen't mean squat to me. as long as the dog is healthy, and keeps my wife happy, thats all i need.

    another thing, some people live in areas of the country where there aren't any reputable breeders, so all they have is farmer Brown down the street who's got some puppies for sale.

    i guess i never should have started this thread.
     
  19. Debi

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    Im sofa king......it was very GOOD to start this thread! It's always good to talk things thru. How else do we learn or get other opinions. If it isn't always your opinion, that's ok....still always something to learn. That is what makes the world so wonderful.......different people, lots of opinions. Good stuff. :D I love hearing all sides to an issue. Keeps me fresh. LOL I always have an open mind....like to ask questions.




    Now...about that muddy paw problem.........................................
    Have a GREAT night! :)
     
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    I just wanted to add that I totally agree with Serena in every aspect that she has pointed out but theres somthing that I want to add

    Serena pointed out
    If your not going to show and just want a pet, you should still care enough about your future pet to ensure it has every chance of living a life free of painful genetic and temperamental diseases...if that is not important to you then go to a byb, support breeders that pump out poorly bred inferior dogs with no knowledge of health..because your likely to get a poorly bred dog full of genetic problems because they don't care about these things.

    My point to what she said above is that people buy these dogs generally not knowing that they are buying an "inferior" dog like this then they get fusterated and run out of money trying to treat these dogs for various ailments (take hip displaysia this wouldn't even be a problem if people in the past would have bred away from it), training, and what ever else that has to be corrected due to inferior breeding of course some of it is the dogs enviorment or other things but some things can be avoided gentically and these dogs end up in shelters or rescues because the people who took the dog in the first place get fed up with these dogs
    The other problem with BYB's is that they do not stand behind their dogs once the pup leaves the premises they are the new owners responsibility ALL resposible breeders stand behind their dogs for the rest of the dogs life and guarantee against genetic defects, demand that any pet quality pups are spayed or neutered, and will take the pup back if the owners ever want to get rid of it, they do home checks to make sure the pup is going to a good home, they interview potential puppy owners, they will answer any questions at any time about the puppy, they also recommend the new owners take a puppy obidience class, they also match pups to owners to be sure they are a right fit and most often if they think the puppy will not fit in the home they won't sell it to you
    In ending BYB's DO NOT DO THIS and the most horrible thing is they are breeding for money, or so their family can experience the miracle of life and this is the last reason that anyone should breed a dog for if you want your family to experience the miracle of life watch Animal Planets "Thats My Baby"
     

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