A Game of Thrones

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  1. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    We had a good discussion going on on the venting thread but it died out. So now that I am caught up with the series, I wanted to revive it.

    I thought the scene was done pretty well though not as gorey as I'd imagined. I was all tensed up the whole episode.

    I'm not sure how to start the thread though since some of us are further than the others as far as book reading goes. I'm really really interested in what is going to happen this last season 3 episode. (spoiler) Lady Stoneheart reveal?

    Someone else would probably be better at getting a discussion going but wow, I am still reeling from the episode. I bet it was a lot worse for the people that had no idea that was coming.
     
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    I have never read the books but the tv series is our favorite and this weeks episode was a huge shock to Doug and I. As we watched we expected that it was going to turn bad and that someone would get hurt or die but we never expected at all how far it went. At the end we were both staring at the screen with our mouths open in shock. Can't wait to see tomorrows episode.
     
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    [Spoilers]

    I honestly thought that it was way over dramatized for screen and super corny. Irritated me a lot.
     
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    I think the hardest part for me to watch is what they did to his wife. I just about threw up when I saw that. I was not expecting that at all or for it to be that graphic. Sorry I know I am a wimp
     
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    I've never read the books but I have friends who have and mentioned this and that and then I have to go online and spoil it for myself. I knew what was (and is) coming but I didn't necessarily know it was going to be that episode. So, I wasn't too surprised.

    I love the series! I want to read the books but they are so darn long and I'm a slow reader. Maybe someday I'll get around to it. I'm told that the tv series goes right along with the books and there isn't much difference. Anyone else agree?

    I can't wait for the next episode.
     
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    No. The TV series leaves out entire characters sometimes and goes in a different order. Not a bad thing, though. They have to do this in order for it to translate better onto screen.
     
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    Haha, now I'm going to have to ask my friend about it. And see why she said that.
     
  8. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Things change some... Like talisa is not the same character in the show vs the books(Jeyne). But overall I think it's about as faithful as a tv series could be for a book series of that length. Obviously some things need to be edited down.

    The biggest difference for me is that they aged most the characters up (like the Stark kids especially).

    I didn't think it was very corny in the show but the throat slashing was a little Sweeney Todd-esque.
     
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    I love series which i started by reading books one two and three but it took so long to get those books out i lost interest when all the books come out i think i will try again but i do like the tv series but i have only seen season one since i have limited internet access and no

    Ashley
     
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    I am obsessed. I think they stumbled by not really explaining the whole salt and bread thing. I read all the books long ago, except for the last one it came out recently. I following grrms blog and was highly anticipating this series. With all that said, I am really impressed with HBOs version.
    Spoliers below .




    Now on to this week coming, it is to much to hope for the purple wedding. And I think they will not reveal LSH either. I am still hoping for arya to head on to braaviossi, and dany will have to start to rule. It is coming soon for jorah to be banished. It is hard to predict where they Going to split the book for the season end.

    I really want to see greywind head on rob. Grizzly but the imagery ties into what dany saw in the tomb of the undying.
    I wonder if Davis will take off wit gendry or the witch will screw him to death.
     
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    SPOILERS BELOW. In fact people should probably just assume spoilers in this thread.

    We were talking about that at work yesterday! I didn't realize everybody was supposed to be so young. I mean like everybody! But I said when I'm reading the story (on wikipedia hahaha) the characters I pictured in my head are about the same age as they are in the show. Like Bran is supposed to be seven in the first book?? And Robb is fifteen... what?? I definitely pictured them as much older. Catelyn is supposed to be young too, like supposedly late 30s?, but I never pictured her as such.

    Kinda weird I wonder why they decided to age everybody up.


    I'm wondering if people will totally freak out over undead Catelyn. My co-workers are wondering if they will leave that part out, because there have been mentions of not working with that actress again, she got her hair cut after the final scene... but it could be intentionally trying to mislead people who haven't read the books. I think it would be a shame if they skip it because that would probably mean skipping Brienne's whole romp, and I like Brienne! Innnnteresting.
     
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    And Dany is only like... 13? I can't remember exactly.
     
  13. Laurelin

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    Yeah people should probably expect spoilers. :p

    One thing I read was to get around child pornography laws since a lot of the really young characters have sexual scenes in the novels. Either they'd have to change the storyline to cut out those scenes or age the characters up so they could show them. Makes sense I guess, but gross when you think about how young the kids are in the novels. That is one thing that makes the tv show easier imo to handle than the novels.

    And I know girls were married off in medieval times right as they hit puberty but it still gives me the willies.

    I think they're misleading.... I seriously hope so at least. I don't really see it working and leaving out LSH. I'd be seriously disappointed if they did!

    Love Brienne too.
     
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    Yeah it's surprisingly faithful, I thought. They aged everyone up for the sex scenes. For instance, Dany (13 in the books) is repeatedly raped by her new husband Drogo, so they had to make her 17 in the TV series (actress is even older of course). Because Dany was aged up, everyone else had to be aged up too (Jon and Dany are within a year of one another in age), plus it's easier to find better older actors (plus they wanted Sean Bean :p).

    I'm not displeased with they way the did the RW in the show, I've long since learned that very very very rarely will anything on screen be as raw or real as it is in your head. In the books, it wasn't half as neat and clean as it was in the show... they don't kill all the Northerners in the hall immediately.

    Catelyn goes out of the hall to confront someone about his mail, then turns back to the hall and Robb starts getting shot, and other Northerners are getting shot or stabbed.

    The rest of Northerners in the hall clue in and start fighting with anything around them. Greatjon Umber lifts up a table and runs over the shield Robb from more bolts (this part always stood out for me). But of course they're getting slaughtered anyways.

    Cat doesn't kill Frey's wife, she kills a mentally disabled son instead. It's not a neat slash, she saws through his neck until the knife is grating on bone. Then she starts crying and clawing her own face apart, then she starts laughing and they kill her because they figured she's lost it and not worth it to ransom.

    Robb's last words aren't "mother.." but "Grey Wind." This is not really significant but later in the books we find out that when a warg dies, he usually goes into the body of his animal. So Easter Egg!! Robb died as a human, then was in Grey Wind when he died.

    We don't see Grey Wind but find out later that he ripped the kennelmaster's arm off and killed a bunch of hounds before succumbing to the crossbow bolts.

    Meanwhile, Arya and Sandor (my favorite duo) have been on the cart* (leading Stranger) going past the feast tents of the Northerners, and are actually getting along fairly well and trying to figure out how to get in the castle.

    They pass the feast tents, everything's fine, and then Arya observes the draw bridge is lowered (thinking oh yay, that'll make it easier to get in!!). Sandor (who in the books is sharp, fit, in his late 20's** and one of the very best warriors in Westeros) turns to look and clues in right away, shoving her off the wagon and getting out his sword belt. She's furious, then turns and sees the Frey army streaming out of the castle, hears screams and looks back further. It takes her a second to realize the feast tents have collapsed on Robb's army and are on fire.

    The she sees three riders coming right at them. Sandor cuts Stranger loose and gets on him in time to meet two of them. Arya is worried that Sandor can't take them all at once, frets about whether she wants him to die or not, then the third rider starts chasing her around the wagon.

    Sandor breaks off his sword in one guy, and mortally wounds the other's horse, which falls on top of the rider in a shallow pool of water. Then he kills the guy chasing Arya. So in the background is the sound of the river, the Rains of Castamere with heavy drums playing inside the hall, the dying horse, the drowning man, the Northmen in the tents behind them.

    Clegane wants to leave, but Arya is reluctant. He tries to talk sense into her, tells her her brother is dead, tells her to look at his army again. At this point the fire is huge and the Freys are catapulting pitch onto the tents.

    Then she bolts, and he follows her a moment later, whacks her with the axe (she thinks he's going to kill her like Mycah and it's left ambiguous to the reader whether he does), and we don't read about her again for about 200 pages. Notice that he's bad at goading her into doing things, this comes up again.

    So yeah, they weaseled out of quite a bit of the Red Wedding, but it was still satisfactory (satisfactory=a victory in my mind, because if they ruin an important scene like that, it's hard to watch the show the same way again). And I'm SURE they won't leave out LSH. No way, especially given her interaction with other important characters later on.



    *yeah, the cart incident, they like to character assassinate the Hound in the show. As far as we've seen, he isn't so much of a dick that he kills people for nothing, and he pays when he can.

    He does love his ultimatums. The "foraging" part came from when he confronted Beric, Thoros, Anguy etc (the Brotherhood) about taking all the gold he got from saving Loras in the tourney in Season 1.


    ** The Hound should look more like:
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    http://eeba-ism.deviantart.com/art/ASoIaF-The-Hound-322619878

    http://jekaa.deviantart.com/art/The-Hound-and-the-Wolf-Pup-73929650]

    Read the books!! :)
     
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    Can we PLEASE clarify if these are book spoilers or show spoilers? Although I agree we can assume this thread will be filled with show spoilers.

    Actually, can we please put book spoilers in white font? Sometimes I scroll through the page and something will just happen to cross my eye. Because I really don't want to be even reading the smallest book spoilers. I don't like having expectations for any of the episodes, because that can make me anxious or excited for the entire course of the hour and honestly it's not fun either way.

    Edit: AGH shitcakesoaswfjujewofeswadaess I read another book spoiler. I saw two words as I was scrolling down the page :(

    ETA2: lol read more in a quote. Pretty sure it's a good idea if I just stay away from this thread forever :rofl1:
     
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    What about the theory in the book that Robb warged into greywind right before he died. So then it was Robb going on a killing spree and really dying twice.

    I was kid if sad greywind was killed in a kennel instead of going out fighting.


    I've been trying to put book spoilers in white. Not sure if what would work though. :p
     
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    Thanks Laurelin, I appreciate it! It did work. I am such a GOT geek, I'm completely psyched for tomorrow. I just think spoilers are probably my biggest pet peeve, ever. It probably doesn't help that I am insanely curious and impatient.

    Hoping for more people to post so we can get to Page 3. Every time I even scroll through Page 2 the spoilers draw my eyes like magnets lol
     
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    Post! Lol.
     
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    /me helps get to page 3 :p
     
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    Extra post.

    I do have a question about the end of ADWD....

    MAJOR SPOILERS IN WHITE, DO NOT QUOTE:







    Do you think Jon is dead from the stab wounds?
     

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