2o-2o Vs Running contacts, effect on structure?

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  1. Beanie

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    This thread is super interesting - I haven't decided yet what to do with Payton's contacts. Kind of was planning on 2o2o since that's what I did with Auggie but a 4on is intriguing to me too.

    Also fffff that last video has the agility bug all on fire and I've been seriously considering entering Mr. Retiree in something again just to go play *flail*
     
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    Here is the modified version that I was talking about, she recently changed it to a "wait" cue instead of a lie down. She does have quick releases as well but basically this is a 4 on the floor technique.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7YhkRzmG5o
     
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    If it makes you feel any better I gave myself agility fever while i was at it ;). We're on a two month hiatus and it's killing me. And the dogs too. Just bad luck -- trials here have been filling on opening day for for years but it's reached a new level lately...last trial we were closed out of had a wait list of over 250 runs...

    /gripe
     
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    Don't know what else to say, it's a confusing mess trying to explain it but I have clear criteria, it's our trainer who I think is making things wishy-washy, she trains the basic 2o-2o and with nose targets on the floor, I decided after watching another DVD that I did like the "4 ON" (That's what it's called then?) better and that's what I've been trying to teach her, I wait till she stops in the yellow 4 on and reward, then let her slide down to the nose target and only reward that about half the time (usually when the trainer is watching). Add in also the current state of still having to slow down as we get towards the end, or rush and catch up in front of her at the end, we're only JUST starting at this so I know it's going to take some time to clean this up, but after what was discussed in the Beauceron group I really became concerned over using 2o-2o at all! I think I have my answers now though, and just need to chat with our trainer about how I'm seeing training contacts vs how she's doing it now and try to get our modified program implemented.

    Yes! THIS! I saw this on another DVD I rented, that this is what I started after a couple classes with her, rewarding her instead as she's in the yellow at the bottom of the frame but not off, 4 on vs 2o-2o, but still a stop and wait for release over just buzzing through it.
     
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    I haven't thought a ton about contacts lately as my dogs were taught a "heads up" 2o2o which worked out well for us.

    A good friend of mine has struggled with teaching the finer points of a running contact to her toller. When he gets it, his running contacts are beautiful... but it isn't as often as she'd like.

    I like the way my friend taught running contacts to her golden and they've been super, super reliable for her. Decisions! (I'm looking for video of both but can't find them right now.)
     

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