20 week abortions...

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  1. Greenmagick

    Greenmagick New Member

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    Wasnt sure how else to title it and well, its the subject.

    Its come up here I know before, but this just came to me and validated again, for me, why I am so against government involvement in a medical procedure.

     
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    I've read this before, and I absolutely agree.

    I'm pro-CHOICE for a reason! It's the CHOICE for a woman to make an educated decision between herself, her significant other, and her doctor. Nothing less. This isn't where government belongs.
     
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    I agree with this.

    That said.. I think these threads have a way of getting ugly very very fast. It's a touchy very personal controversial topic which has roots in both religion and politics. Which is an explosive combo at any rate lol

    Nobody ever changes their minds on their stance and it turns into just mud slinging and name calling.. perhaps it might be best to simply lock the thread? The article is interesting and worth a read! Not trying to discourage sharing information and I'm usually all for discussion.. but I can feel the drama llama sneaking towards us
     
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    HayleyMarie Like a bat outa' hell

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    I can't say I totally agree with abortion, but I totally 100% agree that it is a personal choice and if its a thought out educated decision I have no issues with it.

    Which if I think about it I think I agree with it more that I think.
     
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    The drama llama is ready to strike for sure, but I don't think we should preemptively lock threads ya know?

    I don't understand how aborting a pregnancy in which the fetus is surely and slowly dying is different than parents pulling the plug on a kid who won't recover and is on life support. To me, this story doen't really say anti-abortion legislation is wrong, but rather that the law needs to be written differently... like no aborting a healthy fetus in a healthy pregnancy; where the fetus will not survive pregnancy, termination is OK. Basically all laws hinder some righteous actions but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the laws, necessarily.
     
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    Do you have the link for this?
     
  7. Greenmagick

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    https://secure.ppaction.org/site/Ad...2_c3_e1&JServSessionIdr004=8f8ewc0qsd.app202b

    hmm, that looks like it might not work. Its from Planned Parenthood.

    As far as I know, they have tried working laws before where there are caveats about health of the fetus and mother, but again, its up to interpretation. The case I brought up previously was in Utah I believe, and hypothetical. The question was posed to a OB, if a patient was just pregnant and diagnosed with cancer, would he say that is a medical reason for abortion, for her to start treatment to hopefully save her life. His response, and yes, it was just one, was that no, it was not an emergency and her cancer treatment could wait. I am of the opinion that it is the patients decision to make alone.
     
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    I am 100% pro choice for every reason everyone's heard a million times. I really wish government would stay out of it. Very sad :(.
     
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    I am neither pro choice or pro life, this hypothetical is one of the reasons for it. Fact is hypotheticals usually **** me off.

    I have wanted to preform abortions well after 972 weeks though.
     
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    The original post is NOT hypothetical. The hypothetical o e is something I discussed in a different thread.
     
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    No need to be testy, unless you were the subject of the Planned Parenthood propaganda it is more likely then not, a hypothetical.

    It reminds me of a South Park episode Season 2 Episode 2.
     
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    I am still turning the content of the op over in my mind, but I really, really hope this thread is not locked. I hate it when forums lock threads because they might get heated.
     
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    As heart breaking as it is for the mother in the story above, abortions due to medical reasons, rape/incest make up a very small percentage of all abortions performed every year throughout the world. This report is just one of many that illustrates this fact.

    One of the main arguement for abortion is that "It's my body, my choice"... but imho, when it comes to deciding life or death of another being, there should be more consideration than just "my choice". (After all, you cannot just kill someone off because you believe it's your choice to do so!). A mother's choice to kill is not superior to her unborn baby's choice to live, and though the unborn baby needs to stay in the mother's womb to develop, he/she is not just a mere part of the mother's body, but a unique being with unique genetic markings.

    Pro-lifers base their arguement on the conviction that life begins at the moment of conception, while the pro-abortion argues that the baby is not a human being until it's born, and use this to negate/justify everything.
     
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    And pro-choicers generally say they're both people, one here and one who might be sometime soon, and it's not up to some bystander to decide what counts as a risk and whether those risks are worth taking.

    Or maybe that's just me. Who the heck knows.
     
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    Are there really pro-abortion people? I've never met one.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    So are you saying that just because those are a small percentage that EVERYONE should be prevented, because its saving all those other lives? That's ridiculous.

    Every life is precious, but I find more and more it comes down to the babies are worth more than their mothers, which is dumb. As well, I find that extremely religious people and people who have trouble having children even though they want them are far more concerned about what other people are doing with their bodies and their choices. But how often do these children who are born because their mothers couldnt get an abortion when she needed it end up in the perfect Foster home? How many more slip through the cracks?
     
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    Nor I but if that hadn't sank in by now I figured nothing I could say would drive the point home.
     
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    By reading the many abortion related threads in the past, I think most people choose to stand "in between" kinda like "I personally don't agree with abortion, and would not have one, but if you're pregnant and want to end it, go ahead, it's your choice!", as if we're afraid we'll offense...

    I think this is something you have to pick a side and stick to it. If abortion is wrong, then it's wrong in ALL situations! (Treating the mother for her medical condition which inadvertently ends her pregnancy is a world different than her deliberately choosing to abort the child)

    Every times the issue of abortion was discussed, the word "CHOICE" was mentioned many, many times like it's the rock upon which arguements for abortion are based on... something in my heart always cries out "What's about the baby's choice?", who's going to advocate for them??
     
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    This. I'm pro-choice, NOT pro-abortion. There is a huge difference between being "pro-abortion", and believing that a woman's right to choose should never be taken away.
     

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