No Kill Shelters, whats really going on?!

Please View these ones too, thank you, there needs to be more dog awareness!!

No One At All ?!

i don't disagree wiht ALL no kill shelters. i've been checking out one on the net. a lot of the photos of the dogs are taken on the beach and such. and they dogs look genuinley happy. theres another one closer to my house i'm going to check out.

i don't think they're a bad thing if managed properly

I went to one of these operations outside my hometown in St. Louis. There was a whole building full of dogs that they wouldn't even let me see. Essentially the 2nd-class citizens, dogs with "issues" that made them less adoptable. The gal wanted to go home, I'm sure, so I got to look at kitties and row after row of these dogs that looked like they were all related. (Probably all came from the same local source.) Needless to say, I was not impressed.

the no kill by me is certainly not perfect but NOTHING like that movie. i used to work there so i know the behind scenes of the one neer me.
yes there always a bit over crowded...however those that need medical attention get it, they always have water and even through there usually eating bad foods, they all get food. this one is a none for profit relying on donations so the dogs often get foods that dogs in happy homes have turned their nose up at.

i can say for certain there is money laundering going on down there, they raised thousands to soundproof the building (we live right above andhear the noise ALL day) and it never got done, when asked they said the money whent on other "improvments" but none could be found.

the conditions inside...you can tell the place is old and needs work, but its kept clean (or at least I kept it spotless while i was there) all the dog runs were clean, had blankets and a toy to keep them busy, all the dogs got free time in the play yards and walks, this shelter used to be an accept all no kill any, but now there practicing selectivity, 1 due to lack of space and 2 due to an issue they had with an extreemly agressive pit who tore into a volunteer when he broke out of his kennel. since that point everyone was very carefull around him and his kennel (he ended up with a keyed padlock so new people wouldnt accidentally open his kennel and get killed) he has since been euthanized, now they do a general temperment test.

the cat building is equally overcrowded, but again, the animals revice good vet care, and food and fresh water as well as lots of intereaction with the volunteers.

you talking about that exact pet place in the video ? So you can visit it again? etc

no, im in ct

Hey! Not ALL no-kill shelters are bad! I volunteer at one. You can go to http://www.foha.org and look at the pics of our property. All our dogs are vetted and spayed & neutered.

They all get a walk on Saturday and Sunday, and during the week the dog-friendly ones are put into playgroups. We are limited intake and the only way we get overcrowded is if we have a bunch of people return their dogs at once (one time we had EIGHT dogs returned in a single weekend, all for stupid reasons ).

We have 10 long-term dog cottages for the dogs that have been there the longest. They are climate-controlled and have a couch and water & food bowls inside. You can see pics of those on the website too. There are four dogs in the Village (as we call it) that have bitten people. All the rest are completely adoptable, just overlooked.

There are two seperate catteries for cats, one for FIV+ cats and one for FIV- cats. They live in a cageless environment and are vetted just like the dogs.
Sick animals are not kept with well animals, we have a quarantined area for them.

Our animals are given the best care we can give while they wait for their forever homes. And we always take back the animals if the home can no longer keep them. And everything is kept very clean, thanks to the paid staff.

I am happy and glad when no kill shelters are doing the right thing. Low kills too.

First off, ALL shelters euthanize dogs. No Kill shelters just don't advertise it.

Second, I cannot stand No Kill shelters. NO dog deserves to live out it's life in a cage with limited human contact & just having food & water thrust at it once a day while being hosed down along with the cage at cleaning time.

Just because a dog is alive, doesn't mean it's living.

(EDIT: & 20 minutes a day of playtime with some volunteer doesn't make a dog love it's living situation either. It's more humane to release the dog from the hell hole it's being forced to live in rather than force it to continue on just because it makes us humans feel good & feel like we are doing something)

Your so corrected that is a true factor, I was just saying its good they are kept alive, but its not really good living but they still have a good chance of getting a new home no? People think putting down is a good thing? I am just wondering like the dog lost it's life it doesnt get to live and etc. No one knows if there is anything after death or what happens. I just know what the goods and bads are, and just dont agree with some of it.

Sadly very few rescue dogs have a good chance at finding a home. There are far more dogs needing placement that good homes willing to take them.

From my experience with rescues, dogs that are adopted from a No Kill rescue are an extreme rarity. (I'm not counting those pulled by other rescue organizations only to sit at that other rescue for months to years)

IMO euthanasia isn't a bad thing. It's not murder & dogs don't regret being put down & think bad thoughts once it was dead towards those who did so. Often times euthanasia is the kindest thing we can do for these dogs as it releases them from the hell we try to force them to live in.

yeah theres alot of people to blame for there not being as many as homes that were could be for these wonderful k9's and other.
Ie: dog haters, no pets allowed, parents animal haters (from not growing up with any animals) Etc.

It depends on the shelter. Our humane society is mostly no-kill (they do put down dogs deemed unadoptable and also have to put down some cats due to the sheer number of cats they get) and the animals are kept in clean, uncrowded conditions. They try to get animals adopted within 20 days. I got my dog from a different local shelter, also no-kill, which wasn't any more crowded than the average shelter. We do have a kill-shelter in town too, which I will say has a very impressive set up. (There's a doggy-door in the back of each kennel . . . the dog can go out of it into their own fenced off outdoor section.)

I take offense to this post. Our shelter is NOT a hell-hole. We do NOT hose down the runs with the dogs still in them. Yes, some dogs don't do well in a shelter environment, but those are few, and that's what foster homes are for. I bet if you could ask our dogs if they'd rather die, they'd tell you no. Our cats live in a cageless environment, so I don't think that's cruelty. Oh, and by the way, our shelter only euthanises animals if they are very sick. There are two dogs I'd love them to euth for aggression, but that's not the policy.

I don't have a problem with no-kill shelters as long as they are managed properly.

I think they are better than regular shelters sometimes.

Here, we need a no kill shelter. The normal shelter we have is deplorable. They DO hose down the kennels with the dogs still in them (when they do it), outside they have to play on black tarmack in 35 degree celcius weather, there is no shelter outside, they have no policy for euthanasia. Basically its when they feel like having dogs and cats PTS. Or if one of the workers doesn't like a particular dog or if a dog has a bad day and barks too much etc. It is sickening. I would love to go to our shelter and videotape or take pictures but they walk you through so they would see what I was doing.

I also stand by this is one of the big reasons why there isnt enough good homes for these darlings. If dogs where allowed all over, there wouldnt be as many killed, needy dogs in need of homes. When I can I am saving some more lives, keep doing that until I die. We need to do something, bring awareness to people even if its a tiny or huge thing to the people.

That's definitely true. But it's also simply an overpopulation problem. Especially with cats. They don't go into heat twice a year like dogs do, they go into heat every couple of weeks. Well, you can imagine what a few unaltered cats can do to the cat population.

Our rescue group is No-Kill, but then again, we're a foster-based rescue. We occasionally have a couple (no more then four) animals in boarding, but they're usually there for a couple of weeks at the most, and then rotated with dogs in foster homes. And, while they're in boarding, they get a 20 minute walk and a 20 minute playtime each day at least. Sometimes more.

We're advertised as No-Kill, Non-Profit, Foster-Based, but it's more like Selectively Low-Kill, In-The-Hole-Profit, Mostly Foster-Based. But that doesn't sound as nice.

We will euthanize animals for two reasons:
1. Terminal/untreatable/uncurable illness or injury (We do take special needs medical into our group, however - i.e. blind, deaf, three-legged)
2. Repeated aggression towards people (We temperament test, and there are some things that we WILL work with, and others that we can't (safely) work with.

-Rosefern