Grooming long haired dogs

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No, I didn't know that. Now I'm starting to feel bad. When will he lose his coat, any specific time period or it could be whenever?
 

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Be sure with a long haired breed, especially a really naturally groomed breed like a sheltie or a collie (or a pap) that you specify NO TRIMMING. I've had them try to shave Trey (sheltie) cut off the feathering on a dog and ask to cut off Beau's ear hair. o_O Be very careful. These kinds of breeds need minimal trimming- just around the feet usually. Some groomers seem to go scissor happy. ;)
 
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I have found this out the hard way. I will ALWAYS specify now!! Thanks. I should have consulted the experts at Chaz before I took him anywhere but hey, you think, a groomer knows what they are doing. You trust them like you trust a vet. Not anymore.....
 

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Hi Bumhouse... there is never any scissoring on a Collie, unless for some reason, it's requested by the owner. If you see what looks like a "thinned' coat on the back only, he's probably blowing his coat so they decided to take a shedding blade and take a lot of it out. A shop consistently doing pet grooming, will do this. You should be able to tell if scissors were taken to your dogs' coat. If not, I'd call and ask them. Most shops have a computer and when multiple groomers are working they make their entries on what was done this visit, in your file, add the price and then print receipt. It's important that you let them know you're concerns. If they hand-scissored your dog without permission, they should refund a portion of your bill. This saves the next owner from having the same problem.
 

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You have to watch though, because here I suppose many collie/sheltie owners shave their dogs in the summer that the groomers almost act like it's the expected cut for collies and shelties. Yikes... I can't imagine my two bald. I somehow think Trey would look a little odd shaved...
 

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I help groom collies also and I have to agree with the advise that Rabbits gave.

An added note, when Colt begins to loose/blow his coat he'll start to get tuffs of hair sticking out. Looks like someone stuffed cotten sections in his fur. The best advise I can give you on taking care of the blowing coat is to get a slicker brush and have at him a good 2-3 times in that week until it's all gone. And you must brush against the grain in order to get it all. What usually works best is to grab a tough of hair hold it straight out/up and brush like you are going to be ratting it. This lifts up the top coat so that you can expose the undercoat to brush out. You'll want to get that undercoat out so that it doesn't cause matting.

I would never summer cut/shave a collie. They need their hair for a reason. By stripping them of their top coat when they shead their undercoat leaves their bodies with no protection from the elements until their undercoat comes back. In some extreme cases it's necessary like if the dog had infections, hotspots or some kind of skin irritation where it would be benificial to do so.
 
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Wouldn't I know if Colt was losing his coat? Would I see hair all over? It's possible she noticed something I didn't and thinned it for me, I'm not sure. Just the fact that I'm uncomfortable asking her about it says something I think.
 

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I posted a question about Tosca's ears. She mats behind her ears constantly. It can get out of hand very quickly for me because she loves her slicker, her rake, her brush, but she HATES me messing with her ears in grooming. Does anybody know a product I can use to untangle behind her ears that will make it easier? I hate the thought of mats getting bad enough to need to be cut out.
 

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Incidentally Bumhouse I totally agree. Tosca hardly sheds at all! She was blowing her puppy fur in the fall and I just brought her to the groomer. I can honestly say I am amazed at how little she sheds.

I was told she would blow her coat in spring and fall.
 

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Hi,

At the salon I work at we sometimes will do what is called a "trim all over" on collies, shelties, golden retrievers, etc. Basically, we bathe them, blow them out, brush them and then trim around the butt, the tail, the hocks and even out the hair on the belly. We DO NOT cut the hair on the back. Sometimes we may thin out around the chest if there is a lot of hair. But, with our dryers we blow out a lot of the undercoat and then brush them. That will get rid of a lot of hair. We will not do a trim all over if we are not asked specifically by the client to do so. Next time you take Colt to the groomer make sure you specify that you just want him bathed and brushed.

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Colt, the same thing happened to me. I recently got her groomed and I expected the same thing I got last time. Well I got more than I bargained for, and that is the exact same word I used: Crushed. Tosca's beautiful mane is a shadow of its former self. I was horrified and am just now getting used to it, after nearly two weeks. I never expected them to do this and I was absolutely speechless when I picked her up, if you can possibly imagine me being speechless. She wasn't matted and all I asked for was a bit of thinning of her butt hairs, the hair between the toes trimmed, stuff like that, same as last time. They stipped her undercoat so that I can actually see the skin when I move her hair on her back! All that beautiful fur she had grown in, foiled. Apparently, this kind of grooming is just what most collie people want, well I am not one of them. I was horrified and I know just how you feel. I can't even find a way to fluff the hair on the sides of her neck to give her a mane look there again. Just terrible.

I only discussed this in PM with one person, I was so upset I couldn't even post about it till now. I am STILL upset and prefer to pretend it didn't happen.

Edit: I didn't realize this wasn't just posted. It was bumped by the previous post. But it's the truth so I finally said it. There you have it. The groomer ruined my dog.
 
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What a shame! How long will it take for her thick long hair to grow back? What did you say to them when you picked her up?
I'm so glad to know all this if I get a long haired breed some day... btw I'm sure Tosca is still quite the glamour girl even with her shorter new look!
 

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kmh, I don't know how long it will take but her coat is a shadow of its former self. When I picked her up, if you can possibly believe it, I was speechless. That feeling like when you almost get hit by a car.
 

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Have you since told them, that what you asked for wasn't what they did? Even if I couldn't that day, I'd be pretty emphatic later about it. That trimming bum hair is not stripping your dog down as far as they possibly could...
 

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Mafia, they just aren't going to ever see me or my dog again. I swear Tosca has some kind of IBM cut. I bet plenty of people who don't want to do a lot of brushing of their collies love what was done to Tosca. I just don't happen to be one of them. I expected NO scissors to touch my dog.
 

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I know you're probably right Zoom, but nothing will be achieved since i can't put Toscas fur back and nothing they say will ever bring me back there. They will call me at the three month mark to remind me she's due and THEN I will tell them that there is no sense since she hasn't grown enough hair back since the last slaughter. I'm a timing person. It's just the way I am. lol.
 

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That's not a bad tactic.. I didn't realize they'd call you at any point. If my vet were to ever call rather then send crap in the mail to remind me of HW testing, that's when I'd tell them how horrible my last visit was, why and that I'd changed vets..
 

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