Would I be a BYB??

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Dogplayaz

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I have 2 Purebred Labs, 1 Male and 1 Female, they have all their test performed (CERF,OFA etc.) i was thinking of breeding them since i have many interested in them. I checked the "Good" breeder checklist and i believe i qualify.

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.
2) Tests: they have all there test, not sure what some are for, but i got em.
3) Something about old dogs in the yard, i don't have any old dogs, just my two who are 2 years old, so i'm good there.
4) I only have 1 kind of breed i'd like to breed, the 2 i have.
5) Pet references- I figure i have to sell some first before i can get a reference, but they can talk to my vet, he'll tell you i'm an honest Gal.
6) Dogs would be let go at 8 weeks
7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.
8) Temperment: They are loving and hyper, and wouldn't hurt a soul, so i know there good there.
9) The checklist said i should have a goal, my goal is to give other people the chance to love Labs and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.

I think that covers it for the checklist, so by all accounts i'm reputable. I would hate to be called a BYB because i am "bettering" the breed and the people that do decide they want one will be screened. Please be candid with your posts i want to be a good breeder here, but with all the info i posted how can i not be? Opinions are welcome. Thank you.
 

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I just have to ask, are you serious? If so, by all means YES, you are the definition of a BYB!

A responsible breeder never breeds for money, they would never put any un-sold pups in a rescue organization and they breed dogs that are titled in conformation or field. How can you have CERF and OFA done and not know what they are for. :confused:
 
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lol. If you are joking this is funny,

If not.Please go and get knowledge and spay yor dog, and probably yourself.
 

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I have 2 Purebred Labs, 1 Male and 1 Female, they have all their test performed (CERF,OFA etc.) i was thinking of breeding them since i have many interested in them. I checked the "Good" breeder checklist and i believe i qualify.

1) Knowledge--i have intense knowledge of the Lab, i read a book once.
Knowledge is good. But reading a book? That is not good enough. You must know the Labrador Retriever Standard, you must see many conformation shows, your dogs must have excellent conformation and temperament, and you need to have extensive knowledge of their lineage. Having them titled is in my opinion absolutely necessary.

2) Tests: they have all there test, not sure what some are for, but i got em.
If you're not sure what the tests are for, go back and do your research. What tests are required for the breed? What things were your dogs tested for? How did they fare? If your dogs scored anything less than excellent, I strongly advise you to not breed them, no matter how excellent their pedigree/titles/conformation/temperament; knowingly bringing pups into the world that will have major problems later in life is a crime to animals everywhere.
Labrador Standard: http://www.akc.org/breeds/labrador_retriever/index.cfm
What your dogs should be tested for: http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/clearances.html


3) Something about old dogs in the yard, i don't have any old dogs, just my two who are 2 years old, so i'm good there.

4) I only have 1 kind of breed i'd like to breed, the 2 i have.

5) Pet references- I figure i have to sell some first before i can get a reference, but they can talk to my vet, he'll tell you i'm an honest Gal.

6) Dogs would be let go at 8 weeks
Eight is too young. 10-12 is much better.

7) I will participate in breed rescue, if i can't sell them, i'll give mine to them with papers, how's that for participation.
That's terrible. Do you know that people who rescue do it out of the good of their hearts and pocketbooks? Giving puppies to a rescue with or without papers makes no difference because all the animals are neutered before placed in homes anyhow. You need to have homes lined up before you breed and contracts and deposits down.

8) Temperment: They are loving and hyper, and wouldn't hurt a soul, so i know there good there.

9) The checklist said i should have a goal, my goal is to give other people the chance to love Labs and of course my other goal...the allmighty dollar.
The only acceptable reason to breed (ever) is for the betterment of the breed. If two individuals are exemplary examples of the breed, then perhaps one may consider breeding them. As a goal, wanting others to enjoy labs isn't a reason to breed. There are thousands of unwanted labs and lab puppies in shelters and rescues, and yet more being abused in homes that are unwanted. If you want more people to be able to love labs, please direct your friends to a rescue or shelter where they can save a dog. Wanting to make money isn't a reason; especially not a reason to breed. It costs a lot to bring puppies into this world, and the only way you can actually make profits is to skimp on care or sell them at four-digit prices. Here is an example of COST: http://www.godivalabs.com/cost.html Approximately $3,000 per litter, to sum it up. If you want similiar links I can find them for you, I've got plenty of links up my sleeve.

I think that covers it for the checklist, so by all accounts i'm reputable. I would hate to be called a BYB because i am "bettering" the breed and the people that do decide they want one will be screened. Please be candid with your posts i want to be a good breeder here, but with all the info i posted how can i not be? Opinions are welcome. Thank you.

Well, let's see. You're breeding two labs who have unknown backgrounds (by unknown, I mean you haven't included their conformation titles/showing titles, pedigrees, their suitability to being bred with eachother, any concrete evidence of their temperaments) to eachother. You show very basic knowledge about Labs at best. You have no idea what your labs should be tested for before breeding. Your primary reason for breeding them is for a profit. You have several friends who have expressed interest in puppies from your labs, but you have no contracts with them. If the puppies turn out to have no homes lined up for them, you plan to dump them on someone else.

Overall, you certainly don't have a glowing reccomendation. Here are some questions and things you need to think about, but remember that I am only touching the tip of the iceburg here.

What do you really know about Labrador Retrievers? Do you know their standard inside and out? Have your dogs earned the right to be bred through conformation achievements and other titles? Do you have extensive knowledge of their lines? Their parents, siblings, and grandparents? How about several generations beyond that? If bred, would their genes complement eachother and improve things or would their pups be a hodgepodge of different traits, conformation, and temperaments? Are you ready and prepared for when things go wrong? The extra costs, time, and possibly heartbreak?

Do you have homes lined up for the puppies? Not "Oh! I would just love to have one of their puppies!" but "I want one of their puppies, may put down a deposit today?" You'd be surprised how many people who gushed about having their puppies will back off when faced with making the decision to bring home a new family member. (That's the situation a neighbor of mine is in currently, she bred her two labs and is desperate to find homes for them now.) When the puppies are older, will you offer support to their owners? Help, advice, training, reccomendations? Do you have a good contract written that clearly states the care of the puppies and prohibits neglect? How about an addition in the contract stating that if, for any reason, the owners wish to get rid of their puppy/adult dog that the animal will come to you first? Can you deal with/afford an addition of a third dog into the household or rehoming an adult, who is no longer a cute, adoptable puppy?

Do you realize how many animals are put to sleep in shelters each day? Each year? Do you know how many are purebreds? Did you know that a lot of them are puppies and kittens? Are you honestly willing to add to the pet overpopulation when you could simply suggest to your friends who are interested in puppies that they take a trip to the local shelter with you?

Please think about what I've said. If not for your own life, for the lives of the puppies you are thinking of bringing into this world.

Links for you to read no matter what:

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html - "So You Want to Be a Breeder?"

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeding.html - "Breeding Your Dog" (Important considerations)

http://www.hkc.org/breeding_your_dog.htm - "So you want to breed your dog.. WHY?" (Very short-why not to breed)

http://www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding.htm#findbreeder - "Breeding/Breeder Information" (GREAT links on DEFINING what a responsible breeder is.

http://www.iupui.edu/~ihls400/responsible_breeder.html - "What makes a Breeder Responsible?"

http://www.dogplay.com/GettingDog/checklist.html - "Checklist for a Responsible Breeder" (Very thorough. If you're still considering breeding your dogs, this is a must.)



***EDIT: I didn't take into consideration the possibility that you were joking. If you were.. That is SO not a funny joke.
 

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Though it would be a very weak joke, I hope you are not serious.
 

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Reputable breeders wouldn't even post those items or questions. They'd already know. They would have already spoken to potential mentors at dog shows. This is a waste of our time where we can be helping someone else. The OP hasn't even responded back. The best thinig to do would be to stop reinforcing this person.
 

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It's a joke. ;) A fine satire on the uninformed breeder. ("I know all about the breed; I read a book once." LOL!)
 

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If this is your attempt at humor bub it aint funny at all !!!!
I just had to watch over 300 dogs ( labs inc) be PTS !!!!!
You say place in shelter ???
People that would even go this far for a attempt at some sick humor are desturbed !!!!!
I am still placing and needing homes to save the ones that have so far escaped the needle and believe me I am not laughing !!!!
If you are serious then you need to quickly be educated. All of your post says B Y B and don't even get me started on the rest !!! I am not amussed and I will leave it there.
 
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