U.S. Voting Tuesday, November 7

Me too... So lets WIN it and go home. or, we can keep it a political issue and drag it out.

Why are YOU tired of the war? How is it effecting you?

Seriously... Please tell me and be as specific as possible, what did he lie about? Please have a better answer than "WMD's". Rare is the Democrat that can have a smart discussion about that topic.

*** I am NO fan of George Bush. ***

Power corrupts.

Term limits for ALL.

No more fat salaries. No more fat pensions. No more fat public appearance fees while in office. No more lobbyists.

Let it be a sacrifice to serve, take the profiteering out of the equation and demonstrably remind those in government that they are there to serve the public interests, not their own and those of their cronies. Let it be an honor to serve, rather than a license to steal, and we will have more honorable men and women to serve and fewer thieves and arrogant, greedy buffoons.

exactly. NO OTHER OPTIONS. sad, but true. one as bad as the other...but what the heck choice is there but to try. and try I believe we must, because as things stand.....this country is headed south. will things change...most likely not. but anything at this point is worth a try. I hold no expectations for big changes, I only close my eyes and pray. if you want to condemn the Democrats, then please explain to me how things were better with the Republicans. wait...don't bother....you can't cause they weren't.

good for Pelosi. I was hoping she'd get it.

And maybe there should be investigations and impeachment hearings. I don't really see that as mud-slinging. I see it as accountability for serious violations of the American people's trust which have been given lots of attention but little consequence. We have several thousand of our young men and women dead in Iraq, anywhere from 60,000 to 600,000 dead Iraqis (depending on which statistics you look at, none of them agree), and for what???? WMDs that never existed, on the premise of a connection to terrorist acts against the United States that Iraq was never involved in, to which we still don't know the identity of all the hijackers (several on the initial list were later found to be alive and living nowhere near the US), and still have no clue and seemingly no intention of finding Osama Bin Laden, who the president expected the American people to conveniently forget in favor of going after "the guy who tried to kill my dad" Impeachment hearings would be a very small price for them to pay after feeding the American people such a pack of lies. If you know anyone who has died fighting in Iraq (I do), the most dumbfounding, horrific truth is realizing that I cannot think of one smidgeon of good their sacrifice has done for our country OR for Iraq. Those who have died are seen as "expendable" damage in a war that has nothing to do with liberation or the betterment of any people, in our country or theirs.

That's frightening . . . we just managed to elect a man who mounted one of - if not THE ugliest and most racist and underhanded campaigns to the Senate . . .

My husband's brother has been in Iraq/Syria for several years, and one of my friends from high school has already died in this war. Let me ask YOU what good the war in Iraq is doing for you and your country?

from a long line of military family......don't get me started on what any war does, or how it effects me. WHEN a true assault has taken place, I'm all about being patriotic. when it is based on the lies of a smirking jerk, I'm all about feeling the loss of mere children for folly. this war won't be won. this is just another dying hope (literally) to save people that don't want to be saved. the few that do are just lost souls, prisoners to their government as we our to ours. when young men die for NOTHING......it infuriates me as it should infuriate anyone. this war has nothing to do with terrorism...paleeese. that is the fear that the government planted to condone their stupidity. UGH!

We are taking the fight to this enemy. I know it is difficult to understand this, but our way of life IS at risk. No, not directly by the conflict in Iraq, but by the kind of people whom we are fighting. Withdrawing from Iraq, before a decisive victory will only make things worse, not better.

You must understand this enemy's motivation. They are not fighting for a country or a flag. They are fighting for their religion. Their faith teaches them that if you do not worship Allah, you deserve death. You think they will stop coming after us if we just run away?

WHAT LIES?!?!?!? I ask this all the time. What, exactly, did the President LIE about? Be very careful that you do not regurgitate "facts" presented by CNN et all.... If anything, ALL of out leaders were duped by Saddam.

This war has everything to do with terrorism. Perhaps it did not start out that way, but that is what it is now. What force will prevail? Freedom or Slavery? Like it or not, accept it or not, this conflict is about our way of life vs. another.

Finally, those heros are NOT dying in vain. They are dying to protect our way of life. It is a shame that we still bicker over stuff like this. Why is nobody willing to support difficult things anymore? Are we that spoiled as a people? We CAN win this conflict, but we need to act like we WANT to win.

We are there to try and bring stability to an area we depend on for oil. ITs that simple. Iraq was the easiest target. they were practically wiped out militarily before, we thought we could get the world behind us, Saddam is a bad man no denying that, and we could loosly link him to terrorism.

IF, and a BIG IF this war was about terrorism, well you don't invade a country and set up shop to fight terrorism. small infiltrating groups are what you need, and if you we're going to invade a country, try beefing things up in afghanistan again, or kuwait, or saudi arabia or Iran, more terrorists from there than iraq. Its a weak argument.

For every "terrorist" we've killed over there instead here, the US has drove 10 to an extremist group hell bent on killing americans. Although they aren't stupid, and will train, and look for weaknesses and then attack again. This religion thing has been going on for 2000 years, it ain't stoppin now.

If this war was about Saddam being a bad man, we could have had him killed and be done with it, but that would have plummeted the region into more unstability, thus cutting off our supply of oil once again.

So you're asking people to illustrate the point, but say all the sources we get information from are obviously wrong, biased and based on lies.

What exactly is your unbiased source, Puck?

but Puck....we shouldn't have been there in the first place to be put in the position of 'running away'. of course we are in a bind now...and no, we can't turn and run at this point. that doesn't make it right, tho. how is fighting in Iraq winning any war against terrorist?? if nothing else, it just keeps a significant amount of troops occupied while they execute any plan they intend to. say what you will about 'saving the people of Iraq from such a criminal dictator'....those that strive for terrorism agains the US are not limited to Iraq at all. therefore, the war just continues without a plan. and...it will not be successful no matter how you want to believe it will. I don't pretend to have the answers, I only know this war wasn't the solution to threats the country faces. now our children in the military are the pawns in some endless game ....so we can save face in the name of freedom. (which is what the powers that be count on us to believe in) and when our family members are lost on this 'cause'.......yet nothing is changed in the world....well, I just am not ready to jump out there waving my flag.

you discuss as if you're still in the military. I sense you won't see any other point.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. If we are attacked again, it will be from WITHIN our own country just as it was on 9/11, not from a foreign invasion. They don't have the resources or the ability, even if they had the desire. Our country is quite safe, in my opinion, it is OVERSEAS that our soliders and people are not safe. A holy war will go on and on with no end. You cannot kill an entire faction of religion with violence, even if the beliefs are detrimental to the human race. I would rather see our soldiers come home and guard our own country, than wasting away in Iraq trying to do away with a religious sect that we have little understanding of and that has been around for centuries, mostly unnoticed by us, until "fundamentalist Islam" became the new hot-button topic of America.

One day of attacks against the United States (carried out mostly by Saudis, btw, our ALLIES, within our own country) does not equate with five + years of war in a foreign country. All we've managed to do is drive the hatred of the Western world deeper and deeper into the already wounded people's hearts and minds.

I will take a quote from Chris Rock on this. "Bush tried to say that we have to go to Iraq, because they're the most dangerous regime on the face of the earth... let me ask you something, if they're so dangerous, how come it only took 2 weeks to take over the whole ___ing country?! You couldn't take over Baltimore in 2 weeks!"

We are not protecting our way of life. We are forcefully inflicting our way of life upon others. Our way of life is not under threat. If you think the United States can be so easily overthrown by a foreign power, you must be crazy. We are one of the largest, most financially successful, most influential countries on the face of the earth. Meanwhile, 60 percent of our youth can't even find Iraq on a map.

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

My ONLY point here is that both sides of the original arguement believed the same thing. To call the President a liar when he was saying something that he really believed... is not a lie in my book. A lie requires intent to say an untruth. I believe the President was doing what he thought prudent. Simple as that.

Ye who hate our President... Don't look at the world soley through that prism of hate. Look at it with clear vision.

Breaking news: Rumsfeld to resign

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=adpL.ThmU2CI

good riddance

a quote in the article from Pelosi:

Amen to that.

I will always be a Soldier at heart. One does not have those experiences without it having a lasting effect on you.


Debi, I DO understand where you are coming from. I often have the same doubts you do.

We abandoned the Iraqi people before, after GW1. If we abandon them again, do we ever have a chance to make a difference?

oh for goodness sakes.....it's not about hating the president. it's about ALL the false information prior to making the decision for war. I blame all the inadequate information. I think he chose to see what he wanted as the truth. and I don't look at anything solely thru a prism of hate. his truth may not be the same as my truth. he certainly put his own spin on the situation. and I won't be made to feel guilty for not believing his 'truth'. I look at the world with clear vision. I only wish everyone else did the same.

I know you understand, Puck. I'm just in a rant kind of mood today. you KNOW it is never anything personal to you my buddy. lol ((hugs))

Rummy! With him and Rick Santorum gone, who'll give us our whacky soundbites? Wait, we still have George. Fantastic. And Nancy Pelosi's usually good for a crazy newsbite, especially if the camera pans back to catch the full Munchkin effect.

Which, btw, is funnier?

"the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery, ... You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does.”

Yes, Rick, that all follows logically.

"The president led us into the Iraq war on the basis of unproven assertions without evidence; he embraced a radical doctrine of pre-emptive war unprecedented in our history; and he failed to build a true international coalition."

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. You leave us to guess which of these three things you find most distressing.