Glucosamine and Chondroitin supplements?

Kase · Oct 27, 2006

Well I've been doing a bit of reading and thought it would be wise to put Casey on some glucosamine and chondroitin supplements. I can't remember which thread I saw it in but someone suggested Nutri aid GCM from tack shops. So my question was is this a supplement for horses that can be used for dogs? If I go to the tack shop will there only be one type?

Or should I go with something else?

Saintgirl · Oct 27, 2006

I use Macintonsh Pro Line D Mac for horses. I can't say enough good stuff about it! They do make a dog and a horse product, but we buy the horse product and feed it to our dogs. Hutch is 190lbs, so the amount that we would give him from the dog product line was alot-and costly! We give him a quarter of a scoop of the powder a day (our vet helped with the dosage!).

MomOf7 · Oct 27, 2006

Ive been using the missing link suppliment and my dogs seem to love it!
I know the glucosamine and chondroiten helped me with my arthritic attack 7 mo ago.

bluezano · Oct 27, 2006

I tried a couple of different supplements that they sell at the feed store here, but they made Mina fart

Maybe the Brewer's Yeast?

I switched and give them Happy Hips by Dogswell. I like this product a lot because the ingredients are Chicken Breast, Glucosamine, Chondroitin and Vitamin E. It is like a strip of chicken jerky and the dogs LOVE them. I give two treats a day. The instructions say 1 treat per 15 pounds per day though. That might add up to a lot of treats with a big dog like Casey :lol-sign:

Kase · Oct 27, 2006

Thanks for the replies everyone

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bluezano said:

Lol I'm sure she'd love it though :lol-sign:

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BostonBanker · Oct 27, 2006

I don't know if you heard about it, but there was recently a study on chondroitin and glucosamine in humans, and it was found to have zero effect. It's just one study (that I know of), and dogs are different from people, but it is interesting. I have recently pulled my horse off of his oral c/g and hylaronic acid supplements. I was using them as a preventative, not a treatment.

The only "supplements" I still use are Adequan and Legend. Both are injectable (Adequan is IM, Legend is IV for horses). Unlike oral supplements, the Adequan at least has studies backing up it's effectiveness in horses. I don't know for sure if there are studies out on the Legend yet, as it is newer. I know they make Adequan for dogs; my trainer has used it on her arthritic corgi with wonderful success. It may be worth talking to the vet about if your dog has current issues.

In my albeit limited experience, I think horses are about 5 - 10 years ahead of dogs in regards to joint care. The trend for horses is really moving away from c/g and towards the HA - both ingested and injected. If you do decide to go with a c/g supplement, I would recommend trying Cosequin; if I remember correctly, their Chon. actually has a lower molecular weight, and it is believed that it is absorbed better.

Kase · Oct 27, 2006

BostonBanker said:

I don't know if you heard about it, but there was recently a study on chondroitin and glucosamine in humans, and it was found to have zero effect. It's just one study (that I know of), and dogs are different from people, but it is interesting. I have recently pulled my horse off of his oral c/g and hylaronic acid supplements. I was using them as a preventative, not a treatment.

The only "supplements" I still use are Adequan and Legend. Both are injectable (Adequan is IM, Legend is IV for horses). Unlike oral supplements, the Adequan at least has studies backing up it's effectiveness in horses. I don't know for sure if there are studies out on the Legend yet, as it is newer. I know they make Adequan for dogs; my trainer has used it on her arthritic corgi with wonderful success. It may be worth talking to the vet about if your dog has current issues.

In my albeit limited experience, I think horses are about 5 - 10 years ahead of dogs in regards to joint care. The trend for horses is really moving away from c/g and towards the HA - both ingested and injected. If you do decide to go with a c/g supplement, I would recommend trying Cosequin; if I remember correctly, their Chon. actually has a lower molecular weight, and it is believed that it is absorbed better.

Thanks for all the info! I'm going to talk to my friend who owns a small petshop as she'll probably have a lot of things in stock or will be able to order in.

Herschel · Oct 28, 2006

BostonBanker said:

BostonBanker, I believe you are referring to the 2003 study by Clegg et al, titled "Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, and the Two in Combination for Painful Knee Osteoarthritis"

They found a 60% placebo effect, and also that "Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate alone or in combination did not reduce pain effectively in the overall group of patients with osteoarthritis of the knee."

Please PM me if you want the full text of the article.

Glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and the two in combination for painful knee osteoarthritis. N Engl J Med. 2006 Feb 23;354(8):795-808.
PMID: 16495392

MomOf7 · Oct 28, 2006

Thats a strange study cause it helped with the swelling in my fingers alot. Didnt make the swelling go down completely but considerably.
Jim who has had 4 knee surgeries swear by them.

Nick`o`shea · Oct 28, 2006

Kase said:

Why do you want to put Casey on this ? Is it pain or general stiffness.
A friend with a Dobe tried G & C and found it to be a waste of money, But now uses Canine Cortaflex with great results( Max plays like a baby again ), check it out.
http://www.natural-animal-health.co.uk/cortaflex/canine_cortaflex.php

Kase · Oct 28, 2006

Nick`o`shea said:

Ok thanks for the link. I haven't decided yet, I'm going to speak to my friend who has the petshop and see what she suggests.

Buddy'sParents · Oct 28, 2006

As I said yesterday, the boys get their doses of C&C in Zuke's. It may not be the healthiest, but Buddy takes enough pills/supplements already.

I have heard great things about the Missing Link supplement that Mom is using, when I worked at a pet store that was one of our most popular supplements.

Good luck, Kirsty. I hope your friend has something that can help Casey.

Kase · Oct 28, 2006

Thankyou BP

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fastpitchchic · Oct 28, 2006

I use glycoflex for my pups. It seems to work great. you can get it on line or at some pet supply stores

BostonBanker · Oct 28, 2006

Thanks! I actually have it sitting around somewhere - it caused quite a stir at the local barns when it came out. I discussed it briefly with my vet, but haven't sat down to read it yet.

Roxy's CD · Oct 28, 2006

ROxy's been on glucosomine and chondroitin supplements for a few months now.

I just get mine from the drug store. Their tablets made for humans in the herbal remedy section. Jamieson is the brand I use.

She get's two pills, 1000mg per day. Now, I can't see I've noticed any changes because she never had any problems but my vet did reccomend it just as a safety precaution.

If you do decide to go with gluco. and chon. make sure she gets them with a little something in her belly. My vet said that with humans and dogs they can cause upset tummies, so their best to be digest with food.

Jynx · Oct 28, 2006

I've tried quite a few different things for differing problems with my dogs,,one of mine right now, cannot tolerate G & C, she vomits every single time, so I tried eliminating ingredients,,Unfortunately I had to go to an NSAID as in metacam, but also give her nutri vet G and it does seem to maintain her.

Adequan used on another dog, didn't do much, I've also had hydraulonic acid (sp) injections on the above dog prior to a knee surgery, a couple helped but then just leveled out..HA is also used in horses ..

I like Glycoflex, however, there are sooooo many things out on the market, what works for one dog may not work for another, it's a case of finding what works for your particular dog.
diane

Herschel · Oct 28, 2006

MomOf7 said:

It was a National Institutes of Health clinical trial.

http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm

Cybill · Oct 28, 2006

I've heard that shark cartilage is supposed to be effective, but I've personally never tried it. Adequan is supposed to be beneficial because it can stimulate cartilage repair, but it has side effects with dogs with joint infections or a history of kidney disease. Metacam can relieve the pain as well but shouldn't be used if the dog has any liver, kidney, or heart issues. Missing Link is supposed to be quite effective so it may be worth a shot.

Pomp · Nov 12, 2006

I purchased Glucosamine sulfate at my local health store. They come in 500mg capsules and I planned on sprinking a capsule in their frozen yogurt Kong.

Is this ok?

Also, is 500 mg too much for a 20-30 pound dog?

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