Hank's DNA Test- Place your bets!

Great Dane and Shih Tzu.

I'm another one who thinks Rattie/Cattle Dog. My friend breeds Ratties....he's practically identical to them but he has spots and the full ratties don't.

I'm not sure if I see any ACD in him. He has the spots for sure but his head shape doesn't look ACD at all to me. His spots look like some really heavy ticking.

Maybe Rat Terrier x Border Collie?

That. Though I don't see BC either.

I've seen a couple spotted ratties but his head is not as refined as any of them and none have had the level of ticking he has. His head reminds me a lot of working feists though. Still have not found one with his level of ticking.

I was sent a known cattle x rat picture last week from an oops breeding of show dogs. Second dog from the litter I've seen. I only saw the head shape in profile of this one but it looked similar. To me from the front, Hank's head is 100% rattie though. The known cattle x rat had the same kind of ticking as Hank but was slightly larger than he is. The second littermate was actually not ticked nearly as much as Hank but was substantially beefier in build.

I don't see any BC in him, just saying that I think his classmate had a good result.

The dog that I know that matches Hank closest in temperament is definitely a JRT.

I don't necessarily see any BC either, but I just couldn't figure out what else would've given him such heavy ticking so I said BC

I'm kind of curious to see the rat terrier/cattle dog mix's pictures if the owner allows you to post them!

Here's the most spotted rat terrier I can find:

http://imageevent.com/amandahill/thegirls/bamawhopup

I can PM when I get home. I think the litter was kept on the down low pretty good from what I gather because it was not supposed to happen.

Hmm interesting, the spotted Rat Terrier you posted.

I always thought Rat terriers were lighter in frame and bone than that! But that spotty ratty has a pretty big, well set head.

Now I'm really curious about what Hank since he seems taller and leggier too.

Rat terriers vary a lot from what I gather. Hank would be in line with a standard rat terrier. I've actually never seen a standard size rat terrier in person. The ones I know are closer to a toy fox terrier in size and quite dainty tiny things. Then there's decker rat terriers, which get huge. Never seen one of those either.

Hank is roughly 15" and 21 lbs.

EDIT: Here's some bigger rat terriers (30+ lbs)
http://imageevent.com/kimsee/seegmillerdeckerbloodlinemales

I do think Hank is mixed though. Just something about his expression/head seems off for even the bigger rat terriers.

I think the ticking is from an ACD. It would make perfect sense that a roaned dog crossed with a basically non-ticked dog would give you one who is moderately ticked (I think that's how the ticking gene works).

Can you tell somehow if he's docked or NBT? That could also be in indication of a stumpy tailed ACD parent.

Both Rat Terriers & ACDs can be docked or have NBTs.

I do believe Hank is docked though.

Hank is definitely docked and not a NBT. He has a pretty visible scar when you part the hair on his nubbin.

ACDs are frequently docked here, all rat terriers and JRT I see are docked too.

There is a lot of variation in Rat Terriers---but I do think Hank resembles a Standard RT.

He kind of reminds me of a male version of this girl (Photo from google) but with a thicker cattle dog coat


Hank is built like a Rat Terrier, seems to have the hoppy, joyous attitude of one and the spots & Bentley Mark of the ACD--seems like the perfect combo to me!

He doesn't have to be, and probably isn't, a perfect 50/50 mix of two breeds. Heck, he could be 75% RT and 25% ACD....or be a complete mix of many different breeds.

Oh, I didn't realize ratties could be NBT! Makes sense though.

I was just thinking that if he was docked, it's more likely that he is a 50/50 mix of purebreds, but that might not be right. Docking isn't really common in the NE unless it's a purebred, I can't imagine people getting an oops litter of completely mixed breed pups docked, but it might be a different culture down south. I could see someone getting a litter of two purebred docked parents docked though. Not sure if that paragraph made any sense.

That one does have a Hankish face! A lot more than most (most seem pointy-er than Hank)

A lot of people have speculated he must be a 50/50 because of the docked tail but another option would be if momma dog was a purebred rat terrier or other docked breed and the owner didn't realize at birth that the pups were mixes. I've heard of that happening too. So I think he could be 50% one purebred and then a mix on the other side. I think it'd be weird for a Heinz 57 to be docked though.

The Bentley mark thing is interesting. Every cattle dog person we come across in RL checks out his forehead and notes that he has what appears to be a Bentley. The first agility show I took him to I unloaded him next to some cattle dog people and they promptly asked 'Is he a rat terrier or a cattle dog?' lol They then spent the rest of the show debating.

Rat terrier on one side, Texas Heeler (aka, ACD/Aussie) on the other!

I mean...this crossed with a Rattie? Potentially!

I love you guys! All the crazy guesses. Its so nice to be on a forum where people don't think they are the gospel.

It will be nice if you (Laur) get plausible results. But it will be even funnier if he gets results like Buddy did!

I'd go with Rat/ACD or Texas.

Now for actual results, I'm sure you'll get collie, bull dog, and dalmatian with the terrier

I'm definitely seeing some kangaroo in there. A kangaroo and something pointy, so maybe a kangaroo crossed with a unicorn? Yep, that's it. Kanga-Corn