Mia's breathing

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I'm so sorry. :( Now you know what you're dealing with, though, and that's better than not knowing.
 
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I'm pretty sure that the only response to this is, "well, sh$t." I'm sorry you're going through this, but Mia is so, so very lucky to have you. In the warmer months, what about swimming? I know she is a very busy dog, just trying to brain storm what to do when it's hot & she's being nutty.
 

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any information you can glean would be appreciated! I don't know anyone in real life that has dealt with it.I am asking around and reading up. We have another appt in a couple months for her annual so I'd like to be loaded with questions then. He acted like the stent was a last ditch kind of effort for dogs who are having severe issues/coughing while calm. I may at least contact the sport/holistic vet to see if they have any additional suggestions.

She is so drugged up now. It's kind of amusing to me because she keeps howling, which I have never heard her do before. She also keeps on falling asleep sitting up.
 

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I'll just c/p what I did on FB here, and again say how sorry I am. That's really sucky.

I'm so sorry. DEFINITELY harness. I know some think CT is not a big deal, but in some breeds, especially the little guys, it really can be. I know of a lot of yorkies who live great lives with CT, but could have been prevented by wearing a harness to begin with. But many things can lead to CT... Obesity, inhalation of irritants or allergens, respiratory infection, enlarged heart, etc.

As I'm sure you already do, just keeping her leaner will help. Harnessess instead of collars, humidifying the air, etc. I have a friend who has a bigger yorkie, Jackson's size who has it. I can ask her some questions if you want, but she seems to live a super normal happy life.

Try to avoid lots of stress, overly excited (I know, easier said than done with Mia). I've read cough suppressants can be used to reduce irriation to the trachea. I think u do have to be more cautious when going under as well because of the tube. So glad you were in tune to her and brought her in!

I did ask my friend with the yorkie and she said her moms yorkie has it worse than hers and is on a medicine for it daily. I will get the name of the medicine for you tomorrow. She said it helps him a lot. They also both love Buddy Belt harness, no pressure on neck whatsoever.
 

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I'll just copy paste what my friend wrote me.

There is some significant risk to the stent surgery as it can result (in fact, often does result) in laryngeal paralysis. I had a foster with really bad CT and spoke to a woman in the US who had the stent surgery done on her pug and said she regretted doing it since even though it gave her a couple more years with the dog had still compromised it's life quality a fair bit.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. I'd treat it medically as long as I could, but then would let it go.

Here's a link to an article about some of the considerations and options when dealing with CT. She needs to be clear that the surgery (rings or stent) isn't a cure and is only a delaying mechanism that isn't without risk.

http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dv...-stents/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/533201

http://www.animalmedcenter.com/faqs/category/tracheal-collapse-in-dogs

http://www.altavistaanimalhospital.com/SpecializedServices/Cardiology/TrachealCollapseStents.aspx

Part of the problem is anaesthesia becomes a significant risk in CT. And much depends on where the collapse is in the trachea.

She also asks if you were given a grade.
 

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I don't have any advice but want to send lots of healing vibes and hugs to both of you.
 

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Wasnt' given a grade but looks like it should be around a 2 since that's 50% collapsed. I'm kind of annoyed now since we haven't gotten any medication on top of it not being graded. It was just like 'Welp, limit her exercise! She will have to deal with this for life'

:/

I don't know if I should talk to my vet or go to another to try to discuss medication?

Her sedative did wear off at about midnight last night. That was kind of amusing, she just woke up and was like 'YAY let's GO!'
 

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Laur,

If I was in your position I would probably opt to go to a sports vet or a vet who specializes in airway/throat/etc... Even if that meant driving a good distance. From the way you describe Mia, she will not be happy to be kept inside during hot weather. I mean, I would absolutely try to accommodate as much as possible(take indoor only classes during the summer, etc) but I wouldn't want my whole treatment to be about accommodation. She's an active dog and she loves to play and do stuff... I couldn't imagine her shock at not being allowed to anymore. I think the best, most reliable information will come from a vet who is both wholly familiar with the problem and is trying I get dogs as close to their pre-problem state as possible(which to me seems to be more of a sport vet trait).
 

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Laur,

If I was in your position I would probably opt to go to a sports vet or a vet who specializes in airway/throat/etc... Even if that meant driving a good distance. From the way you describe Mia, she will not be happy to be kept inside during hot weather. I mean, I would absolutely try to accommodate as much as possible(take indoor only classes during the summer, etc) but I wouldn't want my whole treatment to be about accommodation. She's an active dog and she loves to play and do stuff... I couldn't imagine her shock at not being allowed to anymore. I think the best, most reliable information will come from a vet who is both wholly familiar with the problem and is trying I get dogs as close to their pre-problem state as possible(which to me seems to be more of a sport vet trait).
This. I'd find a different vet. I'd be frustrated if what you posted is all I was told as well.
 

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This. I'd find a different vet. I'd be frustrated if what you posted is all I was told as well.
Agree... especially since it sounds like they didn't take you seriously when you first brought this up and if you hadn't pushed on it, they would still probably be telling you it's just because she's getting older or whatever. I would definitely seek out a second opinion and see what somebody else would be able to tell you.
 

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Agree... especially since it sounds like they didn't take you seriously when you first brought this up and if you hadn't pushed on it, they would still probably be telling you it's just because she's getting older or whatever. I would definitely seek out a second opinion and see what somebody else would be able to tell you.
This. I would be pretty irritated honestly. Especially because if they've been brushing it off for a while now, things could have been done to try to make it not worsen, ya know?

And I agree that Mia is an active dog, and I know she will go nuts having to be cooped up a lot. There has to be some other... alternative or remedies besides just 'limit activity'.

*sigh* I feel for you. I'm still trying to find out from a couple ppl with yorkies who suffer from it what they do and I'll let you know asap.

In the mean time, I'd personally be looking for a specialist.
 

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I'm currently asking around about other options.

I do want to make it clear that I love my vet and have been going to him for many years, since Nikki was fairly young. He's helped me out a lot and this time I looked at my bill and he'd waived the appointment fee again. I just don't want it to seem like my vet is a bad vet, he's been quite the contrary. But he is very minimalistic with treatments and has been. He always answers my questions well and is very honest. I'm bad sometimes at relaying what was said. We do have another appointment with him shortly for both dogs' annuals and he said he'd talk to me then. I think maybe he was wanting me to come with some questions about it all.

Earlier I had really brushed it off too because it just seemed like stress yawning and over-excited breathing. It really hadn't affected her till recently at all. And even then it didn't really strike me as much to worry about. She does not have the cough, which is the typical symptom. Now that I know better I'm seeing more and more how it is affecting her breathing. At lunch we played some ball and you can hear her snort and huff a bit but I always assumed.... overexcitement. She gets so into everything and is so loud that it gets masked a lot.

Anyways, asking around to look into a second opinion. Most my reading so far seems to indicate that there really isn't much you can do. The medication is worth looking into and asking about and I am wondering why it wasn't brought up. Surgery does seem to be a last resort and it has a host of complications with it.

But yes, if anyone finds anything from people who have dealt with it, let me know!
 

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It is overwhelming though. :( I just want her to have a good quality life. She's just so young.
Just take it a day at a time. I know Cynder has a completely different issue...but if there is one thing I learned, it's don't let the gloom and doom get you down. Health issues that you can't actively treat and cure are freaking scary and you can't help but worry about whether or not they'll get worse one day. But don't let that be what you see when you look at them. Find ways to make their life more normal and help them through it. Just because a diagnosis is scary doesn't mean she can't have happy, quality life.

I always thought Cynder was going to live forever. Just because she has MegaE doesn't mean she won't. The same is true of Mia. :)
 

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A very knowledgeable Yorkie owner, who fosters pups all the time with issues, and has been through some with CT:

I have had a few pups with CT and can tell you that I would never put one through that surgery! My most recent one was seen by two specialists and while the one said she could do it, when I pressed her she did admit it would probably only work for a time and that sadly, his prognosis was not great. The other specialist told me what I have read many times...those stents do not hold up.

One medication that I have used with success and know of others who also have is Lomotil. I have mentioned this many times on YT but seems that people have not caught on to its use in these pups. The information and dosing can be found in Kirk's Veterinary Therapy a book that most vets use. I am sorry, but I am not sure which volume it is in, but your vet should be able to find it. Why it works...I am not sure of the exact reasoning. It is an anti diarrheal that has been around for a long, long time..it does have an opiate in it, so maybe that is why? Not sure...but it did help a foster I had for some time. He also was on steroids daily...and I had injections on hand for those times that he would really get out of control at night. They were a combo of Torbutrol and Ace Promazine. Very tiny injection and not difficult to give if your vet is willing to try it. That is used only when they get so bad that they cannot relax! It really does help.

You are doing a good job about keeping him out of the heat and humidity...that is really rough on them as is any weight gain.

I will say a prayer for him and for you. I really sympathize...it is heart breaking to see them suffer with this condition.

Feel free to PM me if you ever have any questions or just need to talk.
 

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