Very shocked... I mean logically I knew this stuff was out there...

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Again, racism and prejudice/bias are not the same thing:)
This. I do think everyone has a prejudice (just being human), but NOT everyone is racist.
And not every racist is hateful or violent, either. I know someone who is obviously racist, but she insists she's not. Her argument is, and I quote, "I'm not racist. I hugged a black person once."
Sorry lady, yes you are.
Not everything is so black and white. (No pun intended.)
 

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I think most people subconsciously judge others whether they mean to or not. I know I do even though it is something I know is wrong. We all have our own biases and stereotypes.

There is a huge difference between being human and also realizing you are being unfair and then being hateful. Most people can look past their initial impressions.
 

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I think most people subconsciously judge others whether they mean to or not. I know I do even though it is something I know is wrong. We all have our own biases and stereotypes.

There is a huge difference between being human and also realizing you are being unfair and then being hateful. Most people can look past their initial impressions.
I can agree with this.... 100%
 

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I think most people subconsciously judge others whether they mean to or not. I know I do even though it is something I know is wrong. We all have our own biases and stereotypes.

There is a huge difference between being human and also realizing you are being unfair and then being hateful. Most people can look past their initial impressions.
That's what I was trying to say in the first part of my last post but you said 100% better. :p
As an example of a prejudice, my grandmother. She is about the most accepting, non-judgmental person you'll ever meet. However, after 9/11, when she sees large groups of middle Eastern men at the airport she gets nervous. She hates that she feels that way (and tries very hard not to), and it makes me sad, too, but she's only human.
It's not a good thing, but based on a traumatic experience she just reacts that way. She also knows she's wrong. I think that makes a big difference.

Someone on yahoo made some really good points about this topic.
Length of job candidates hair (or hair color) their tattoos, piercings, weight, age, sex, ethnic origin, religion, marital status, sexual orientation or pretty much what makes them different from you or anyone else. The word means to pre judge a person which we all do (or have done) if we are honest. It affects us when we apply for a job, a loan, or deal with any other person for any kind of interaction. Have you ever been in a store and feel like you are being watched? If you are a cashier what customers do you watch (that LOOK like shop lifters?) WE are all judged on our appearance and actions even how we speak. Last time you were in an airport did you notice some people were scrutinized more than you why? Why was the car in front of you pulled aside at the border and not you? Why did the police officer search YOUR car?
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There is basically a horrifying subreddit for every thing, so no, not really shocked by this. Combine it with the fact people will literally say ANY THING on the internet and it makes it even less surprising.
 

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Am I the only person that knew what stormfront was w/o looking at the page?
For future reference, don't bother looking at anything related to:
Christian Identity
World Church of the Creator
Covenant, Sword & the Arm of The Lord
Brown berets
Seven States movement

Give me time to think about it & I'll add to the list
 

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This. I do think everyone has a prejudice (just being human), but NOT everyone is racist.
And not every racist is hateful or violent, either. I know someone who is obviously racist, but she insists she's not. Her argument is, and I quote, "I'm not racist. I hugged a black person once."
Sorry lady, yes you are.
Not everything is so black and white. (No pun intended.)
Yes I went back & red my posts & I was unaware that the way I wrote them implied that I thought (or was insinuating that they were the same thing) whodh I didn't mean to do ... Not intentionally anyway xD.

I have prejudices not just towards human beings but also certain animals. I am prejudice against birds due to a horrid experience with birds as a kid, I also am prejudice against small dogs (generally speaking ) I have just always been a big dog person.
 

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In one of my bachelors class for nursing the whole class was focused on finding our hidden biases and we ALL have them if you can recognize it or not. Doesn't mean its in a mean cruel way, just that there are little things that everyone feels towards someone maybe even unconsciously.
Yeah. I used to think I was exempt. Then I read The Left Hand of Darkness, and the author, bless her brilliant heart, slapped me across the face with my own prejudice in the most subtle and elegant way imaginable. It was really humbling. I highly recommend reading it.

You can even get it for a penny on Amazon. :p
http://www.amazon.com/Left-Hand-Darkness-Ursula-Guin/dp/0441478123
 

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Also, I don't buy the, "I'm not a racist because I don't harbor mean feelings/fearfulness toward X group of people," argument.

Stereotypes are racist/sexist/whateverist because of their nature. It doesn't matter if they are "positive" or "neutral" stereotypes.

Take for example:

Black people are good at basketball. They like fried chicken.

Asians are really good at math. Jews are good at handling money, they make good accountants.

Women are better at nurturing and that's why they should be taking care of the kids.

Even though there is nothing inherently mean about those statements, and some even appear to be uplifting, the act of ascribing a trait to an entire group based on ethnicity or gender is dehumanizing. It's saying that a person's traits, good or bad, are defined by their heritage, by their DNA, and that's just not true. People aren't their parts. They are their choices and preferences, and that varies wildly from person to person regardless of their lineage or which chromosomes they have.
 

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Agreed romy, I have met "exceptions" to those rules before & it is a shame how they are treated not by other races but by their own races simply because they don't fit the stereotype, it's sad :(
 

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I've met far too many people who are the opposite of "their" stereotypes to really believe in stereotypes anymore...

I admit that is one thing I used to do, some good some negative...
 

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It is something we all do, not consciously but we do it. I'm going to quote a review and then put a spoiler from the book I mentioned that explains it better so if you ever plan to read it, don't highlight this post.

In Winter, or Gethen, Ursula K. Le Guin has created a fully realized planet and people. But Gethen society is more than merely a fascinating creation. The concept of a society existing totally without sexual prejudices is even more relevant today than it was in 1969. This special 25th anniversary edition of The Left Hand of Darkness contains not only the complete, unaltered text of the landmark original but also a thought-provoking new afterword and four new appendixes by Ms. Le Guin.

When the human ambassador Genly Ai is sent to Gethen, the planet known as Winter by those outsiders who have experienced its arctic climate, he thinks that his mission will be a standard one of making peace between warring factions. Instead the ambassador finds himself wildly unprepared. For Gethen is inhabited by a society with a rich, ancient culture full of strange beauty and deadly intrigue—a society of people who are both male and female in one, and neither. This lack of fixed gender, and the resulting lack of gender-based discrimination, is the very cornerstone of Gethen life. But Genly is all too human. Unless he can overcome his ingrained prejudices about the significance of "male" and "female," he may destroy both his mission and himself.
So, that was well and good, and fascinating to read. I was sympathetic to Genly, because really he was a nice guy, he didn't hold any bad prejudices about either gender, and he was trying so hard not to apply his ideas of gender to the people around him.

Then halfway through the book, one of their leaders asks him, "Are all humans are dark as you are?"

It was a punch in the gut, and that's the moment I realized that the book wasn't about sexism, or gay rights, or anything else to do with gender.

It's written in first person. Genly Ai never stood in front of a mirror and described himself to the reader. He never glanced at his arm and thought, I am very dark brown today, just like so many other characters in other works never mentioned that they have white skin. It's assumed, I assumed, that whenever a character is not described in detail they default to white.

And it made me feel like an idiot. It's a perfect example of white privilege if you're ever looking for one.


And her rant at Sci Fi for whitewashing the Earthsea miniseries based off her books.
A Whitewashed Earthsea

There's also a link to theses blog posts, which are REALLY good. Some are compiled letters and responses from readers of her Earthsea series. Some of the letters are heartbreaking.
http://www.ursulakleguin.com/Index-EarthseaMiniseries.html
 

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