I've had it with these ridiculous Border Collie people.

Aussies are split pretty badly but most the aussie people I know are more of a live and let live. They know what they like in a dog but aren't damning people breeding towards another type to hell. And there are a lot more crossover breeders and the ASCA seems a lot more friendly.

Oh, I think what they look like has always mattered, to some extent, whether working dog people acknowledge it or not. It's just not been written down on paper and paraded around a show ring.

I'm not wild about any working breed being bred for the conformation ring and the conformation ring alone, but the world is a different place now and conformation is a game people want to play with the dogs they love.

My favorite was being told the only way I could get a working bred BC from many people was to never have an AKC dog again. When I said I love papillons and AKC is pretty much the only registry for the breed in the US, it was tough luck. No AKC people can be reputable. Well too bad, I guess. I'm not signing away my papillons to get one of your dogs.

I love BCs but I've run into (online and in real life) sooo many crazy people in the breed. And sooo many snobby people in the breed.

Aussies are split pretty badly but most the aussie people I know are more of a live and let live. They know what they like in a dog but aren't damning people breeding towards another type to hell. And there are a lot more crossover breeders and the ASCA seems a lot more friendly.

Depends on which way it happens. Forbidding a color that never or rarely appears in a breed isn't really limiting the gene pool any more than the current registry system already is since the only time the color would appear in theory is in the case of a mix breed OR there may be by some long shot an odd pup here or there that turns up in that color...but chances are the whole litter won't and there are others with the same pedigree to breed on.

On the other hand, banning a color that is normally seen in a breed simply because the folks who wrote the standard don't like it or whatnot...yeah then I'm right there with you.

I swear I'm not really that crazy... Just passionate

I swear, aren't there enough things out there in the world to get upset about that people don't have to go looking for things other people do to get mad about.

I've always found those silly civil wars in breeds so silly and it doesn't seem like any are exempt from them, though the severity seems to change. I was on the BC forum for about two seconds before I had to leave, and I don't even have a horse in the race. It was so off putting and sad to see so much anger and hate for people who all love the same breed.

Regardless, OwnedByBCs, you have some gorgeous, talented and versatile dogs. Even if they're fake Border Collies.